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Prince Harry Back In Afghan War As Apache Pilot.  
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3683 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

Prince Harry has been cleared to return to combat in Afghanistan as an Apache AH 64 helicopter pilot.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...rys-Apache-war-on-the-Taliban.html

Will this inrcrease the risk for other pilots as Harry is a high value target and every Taliban out there will want the bragging rights that they shot down him down?


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
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User currently onlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Taliban out there will want the bragging rights that they shot down him down?



Deliberately chasing after and shooting at Apache gunships is Non habit forming! 



harder than woodpecker lips...
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Though it's true that Harry is trained to fly the WAH-64D, note that after the excitable banner headlines, this Once he finishes final battle and weapons training, Harry will be at the controls of the world's most sophisticated attack helicopter.

He's learned to fly it, now he is learning to fight it.

When he does go, it will help a lot if the press keep their gaping mouths shut, if this is even possible for them.

His FAC deployment was known to quite a lot of service people, they kept quiet, until some trashy Drudge report blew the whistle.

He is the same in the line of succession to Prince Andrew when he deployed with this RN Sea King HAS.5 unit on HMS Invincible in the Falklands in 1982.
Since that carrier was a prime enemy target anyway, his presence made little difference.
The Sun ('the paper that supports our boys' - in their own mind at least) was quite busy making a fool of themselves reporting that war anyway.
It was rumoured that Thatcher asked the Queen if she wanted her son removed from the fray, it's said Her Majesty was shocked even to be asked. (If that Son of Maggie had been in the services, god help them, you have to wonder).

The Sun make fools of themselves in their 'reporting' of what they claim are SAS operations all the time, like they would know!


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
When he does go, it will help a lot if the press keep their gaping mouths shut, if this is even possible for them.

Unfortunately, that that is not possible. In many, the British news media is just as bad as the US news media. Print anything and everything just for a headline.  


User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
Unfortunately, that that is not possible. In many, the British news media is just as bad as the US news media.

Not to mention the Australian media.   Let's hope they keep their mouths shut this time at let him get on with his job.


User currently onlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5177 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Will this inrcrease the risk for other pilots as Harry is a high value target and every Taliban out there will want the bragging rights that they shot down him down?

I would guess the Taliban are already hoping to down an Apache for bragging rights, regardless of the ID of the pilot.

I remember reading that AK-74U were prized weapons among the Mujaheddin during the 1980's as they were carried by Hind crewmen, so having one was a badge of courage.


User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

Gents,

I tend to spend a lot of time on the fence at Wattisham photographing AH's, and since the Prince turned up I've half expected to fall over the paparazzi hiding in the bushes, etc... Although there's been no sign of them yet.

I've already had one enquiry from the 'press' saying that if I get a picture of him flying an AH they will make me a offer - needless to say, I didn't bother answering. Daft idiots specified that he had be identifiable in the picture, which shows how much they know about the Apache. He is currently flying routine training sorties out of Wattisham, I believe I heard him recover as part of a pair of AH's on Wednesday evening.

On the question of him going into combat and the press coverage in the UK papers this week; of course he will go on Operation Herrick once he completes CTR and his squadron takes it turn in the AH rotation. That would have been decided even before he started basic CTT at Middle Wallop, as there was no way in hell he would be allocated a valuable and expensive spot on the course (remember, the AAC AH fleet is still undermanned although it's better than in the past) if there was not going to be a return on the investment, the fallout in the press would have been relentless.

Flying the Apache is probably one of the safest and most easily hidden roles for him to return to Operation Herrick. No UK Apache has been downed so far, and only one badly damaged in a accident (still unknown if it will be rebuilt, and even the AAC itself didn't know as of a couple of weeks ago) and no UK AH crewman has been injured in combat, despite operating in a combat role intheatre constantly since 2006. Anonymity is also standard practise amongst UK Apache aircrew already, so little extra is required to accomodate the Prince.

Gary

[Edited 2011-06-17 05:54:01]

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

Thanks Gary, for your incisive and informed post.

To expand the subject a bit, notable that the MoD have made some videos warning all service people and friends/family, not just Royals, of the need to consider operational security when using social media.
('Careless talk costs lives' for the 21st Century?)


User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 774 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Quoting garysted (Reply 6):
Daft idiots specified that he had be identifiable in the picture, which shows how much they know about the Apache.

... sure, don't forget to ask him to drop the helmet, go low down and give you a wave during his next sortie...
ah, journalists... *sigh


User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7658 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
It was rumoured that Thatcher asked the Queen if she wanted her son removed from the fray, it's said Her Majesty was shocked even to be asked. (If that Son of Maggie had been in the services, god help them, you have to wonder).

I had a good laugh on this one, nuff said.  


User currently offlinegarysted From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Gents,

I see today that that most notorious of all UK tabloids is again on about the Prince and the Apache, having found out about the standard Survive, Evade, Resist and Extract (SERE) course that UK military personnel - including all AH aircrew - undertake before deployment on Operation Herrick. It really does show how naive and uninformed this lot really are.

I was at a presentation given to the 'media' at Wattisham about the AH a few weeks ago, and it's quite embarrassing watching them keep asking 'would Prince Harry do this?' at everything that was shown - it's like nobody else matters anymore. I've heard a few recent comments - although they are second hand - from a few people at Wattisham which say the Prince really is only interested in being just 'one of the boys' and that he is genuinely a natural pilot. That, at least, isn't just 'press' talk.

Would you believe that there is even a operational codename assigned to Prince Harry's training on the AH - Operation Perseus.

Gary

[Edited 2011-06-17 15:31:42]

User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting garysted (Reply 10):
the Prince really is only interested in being just 'one of the boys'

That was the story coming out from his first deployment. For the first time in his life he didn't have the paps following him around and he could be normal. His comrades apparently loved him.



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinejohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4549 times:

Must be nice to be a Royal. I remember his dad, Prince Charles military career. First he was flying planes in the RAF, then he was a ship's skipper in the RN and I think he even did the Commando Course, but I could be wrong.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

Quoting johns624 (Reply 12):
Must be nice to be a Royal. I remember his dad, Prince Charles military career. First he was flying planes in the RAF, then he was a ship's skipper in the RN and I think he even did the Commando Course, but I could be wrong.

As heir to the throne, Charles will one day be the man all members of the armed forces swear allienge to, (rather than whoever happens to be in Downing Street at the time), so having an idea of what all three services do, what life is like in them, is seen to be a good idea.
It's a bit different for Harry, he can have a more focussed career and go to war, as he already has, as his Uncle Andrew did.
In WW2, women had a much more restricted role in the forces, with hardly any roles for that gender near the front line, still the current Queen serves in one of the Auxillery arms that had a lot of women in them.

Events of the last 45 years show it seems to be safer to be the grandson of a past or son of a future US President, or generally just from the elites of US society, when there is a draft at least.
A group, reacting to this at the time, even wrote a rather excellent song about it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Pl1xATrGMtg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbNnvPBokNs&feature=related


User currently offlinemaxrockatansky From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Impressive that a young man who can essentially do anything he wants chooses to serve his country. Its too bad the media can't keep their mouths shut, they create more danger with their lack of responsibility.

User currently offlinenicoeddf From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Quoting maxrockatansky (Reply 14):
Impressive that a young man who can essentially do anything he wants chooses to serve his country.

Impressive that a young man who is by birth forced to do nothing else but to serve his country still apparently seems to love it.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 2):
When he does go, it will help a lot if the press keep their gaping mouths shut, if this is even possible for them.

Good luck with that.


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