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Second Ford Class Carrier To Be Name JFK.  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3757 posts, RR: 2
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10003 times:

I just fond out that the second Ford class aircraft carrier is to be named the John F. Kenndy. It look like there is going to be a new big John on the water front.  


Please foregive me if this topic has been posted already.  

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12178 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10010 times:

That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama. The name "Big John" sounds much better than "Barry".

[Edited 2011-06-18 15:23:21]

User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9971 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama.


Now... Now... KC lets not get crazy here... 



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User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9820 times:

I don't know how many of the Ford class are being built, but if more are coming, here's some thoughts on names:

Saratoga
Lexington
Forrestal (pardon the spelling if it's wrong)
Essex
Langley



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 3):
I don't know how many of the Ford class are being built, but if more are coming, here's some thoughts on names:

Saratoga
Lexington
Forrestal (pardon the spelling if it's wrong)
Essex
Langley

I believe 3 have been authorized. Before any more are, I think there will be some serious debate in the E-ring concerning what America's posture going forward will be, and just how many of these beasts the US can actually afford.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12178 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Yes, 3 are authorized and 1 is under construction, the USS Gerald R. Ford, CVN78, scheduled for commissioning in 2015. The CVN78 will replace the USS Enterprise, CVN65 which will be the first CVN to retire in 2013. The second Ford class CVN, as this thread is about will be the USS John F. Kennedy, CVN79, she will replace the USS Chester W. Nimitz, CVN68. She is scheduled to begin construction in 2013. CVN79 is currently scheduled to commission in 2018. The 3rd ship in this class, CVN80 is currently unnamed, when commissioned in 2021 she will replace the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, CVN69. CVN80 should begin construction in 2016.

There have been some groups of Navy and other veterans who wanted the following names for this class of CVNs;

CVN78, USS America or USS Arizona
CVN79, USS Enterprise or USS Barry Goldwater
CVN80, USS Barry Goldwater

Sorry, I don't have the scheduled decommissioning years for the Nimitz (CVN68) or the Ike (CVN69).


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
That is much better than the name I thought she would get, the USS Barack Hussain Obama. The name "Big John" sounds much better than "Barry".

Too late, there's already a ship named after the current president!   




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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?     

(Surely someone here has to appreciate that ...)



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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

What a stupid practice, naming aircraft carriers after politicians. I vote for bringing back the Wasp and Hornet names.


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User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 8):
What a stupid practice, naming aircraft carriers after politicians. I vote for bringing back the Wasp and Hornet names.

I don't mind them being named after the odd influential wartime president ie Eisenhower, JFK etc... but recent ones or those not so influential not so much. I too think certain old names should come back... Surely there has got to be another Enterprise!



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User currently offlinePlayLoud From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9386 times:

A little ironic, since Kennedy was killed in a Ford (ok, Lincoln, which is owned by Ford).

Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

(Surely someone here has to appreciate that ...)

Oh, I do! =)


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9366 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

If it's a Ford-class, it should be F-150, 250 and 350, or an LTD.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12178 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 11):
Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

If it's a Ford-class, it should be F-150, 250 and 350, or an LTD.

How about Mustang, Galaxie, Fairlane, or Crown Vic?

Quoting PlayLoud (Reply 10):
Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
If one of the Ford-class carriers gets re-comissioned as the Enterprise, then shouldn't it be CVN-65A?

(Surely someone here has to appreciate that ...)

Oh, I do! =)

Actually there have been 8 USN ships named Enterprise or USS Enterprise, and one building. So this could be the 10th USN USS Enterprise name making her the "CVN-65-J" There have also been 3 other US vessels named Enterprise, including OV-101. I have not counted the RN ships named Enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise


User currently offlinewoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

USS Essex and USS Arizona are already used by two ship although one of them is permanently "moored" at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again

I do like the idea of Hornet Wasp Lexington Saratoga Langley being used as names for the new carriers though.



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User currently offlineiflykpdx From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

+1 for Enterprise. There should always be one active USS Enterprise IMO.


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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 8863 times:

I would like to see another Enterprise eventually, but I think I would like to see a Saratoga, Lexington, and Yorktown first. I know the Lexington and Yorktown are now museums, but the honor of all the sailors who manned these ships at war should not sit at dock decaying.

While I understand the desire to have another Arizona, it is not a carrier name. Submarines now bare the state names... Arizona is one name that should be left alone until she is totally gone.

There will always be an Enterprise though. Scrap the CVN-65, use her steel for her successor.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

Quoting woodreau (Reply 13):
Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again

USS Arizona was decomissioned on December 29, 1941. It was struck from the Navy List on December 1, 1942. The National Park Service "owns" the Arizona.

USS Essex (CV-9), is also not commisioned. It was actually decommissioned first in 1947, then recommissioned in 1951, decommissioned again in 1969, and struck in 1973.

There is a USS Essex in commission. It's a Wasp class amphibious assault ship (LHD-2).

I would like to see a "Fifty Year" rule (at least) for naming aircraft carriers after presidents. If someone's reputation still shines fifty years after their death, then we can name an aircraft carrier after them. Otherwise, let's stick to the more historic and traditional names;

Langley
Lexington
Saratoga
Ranger
Yorktown
Enterprise (currently in use, CVN)
Hornet
Wasp (currently in use, LHD)
Essex (currently in use, LHD)
Intrepid
etc.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 8825 times:

Why not...

USS Gambier Bay?

USS Kadashan Bay? Perhaps Kim and her sisters can christen it.



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User currently offlinezkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4865 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):

Actually there have been 8 USN ships named Enterprise or USS Enterprise, and one building. So this could be the 10th USN USS Enterprise name making her the "CVN-65-J" There have also been 3 other US vessels named Enterprise, including OV-101. I have not counted the RN ships named Enterprise.

Nor the 9 USS Enterprises of the Federation  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Enterprise#Alternate_timelines



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12178 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 8698 times:

Quoting woodreau (Reply 13):
USS Essex and USS Arizona are already used by two ship although one of them is permanently "moored" at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. Arizona and Essex would have to be decommissioned or renamed before those names can be used again
Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 16):
USS Arizona was decomissioned on December 29, 1941. It was struck from the Navy List on December 1, 1942. The National Park Service "owns" the Arizona.

USS Essex (CV-9), is also not commisioned. It was actually decommissioned first in 1947, then recommissioned in 1951, decommissioned again in 1969, and struck in 1973.

Correct. There is no restriction to using the name again, although some people will not like it. I have no problem naming a CVN after a state. Prior to and during WWII, only BBs were named for states. During the build up of the Ohio class SSBN/SSGN state names were used again. BBs, and SSBNs are known as 'capital ships', as are CV/CVNs. But today the state names have been downgraded to below capital ship status with the naming of the Virginia class SSNs after states.

I would like to see the Ford class CVNs named after famous USN BBs like the USS Arizona BB39, USS Massachusetts BB59, USS Washington BB56, USS Indiana BB58, USS Missouri BB63, etc.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 19):

I would like to see the Ford class CVNs named after famous USN BBs like the USS Arizona BB39, USS Massachusetts BB59, USS Washington BB56, USS Indiana BB58, USS Missouri BB63, etc.

Ostensibly some of those names will probably be used by the Virginia-class SSNs - Missouri already is (SSN-780, commissioned on 7/31/10).

Add me to the list of people who'd like to see historical carrier names again. Lexington, Saratoga, Ranger, Yorktown, and the like



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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8616 times:

Isn't the Arizona still comissioned? Even if not, I'd think not reusing it is the best way to honor the dead onboard.


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User currently offlinebjcc From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 327 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 8570 times:

15 of Their various Britannic Majesty's warships have been called Enterprise.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Nelson's ship HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship, is that the oldest in the world?

If a future RN ship was HMS Resolute that would be the only one whose previous holder of the name is part of the desk of the US President.

This whole naming carriers after US Presidents (who now don't even have to be deceased) seems a political shitfest.
When there are all those names of Pacific War battles where the USN Carrier fleet came of age - though aren't amphibious ships now getting those names?


User currently offlinemffoda From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
Nelson's ship HMS Victory is still a commissioned warship, is that the oldest in the world?


Hate to say it GDB...

But the way the RN has been heading, it might be the last commissioned warship in the RN!  Wow! 



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25 GDB : Don't get me started! Last week a senior Admiral warned of the commitment/resources gap and got a bollocking from our Prime Minister. Yesterday a sen
26 ZANL188 : Worse, the occasional senator slips into the mix... USS Carl Vinson I'm all for Hornet, Wasp, Ranger, Bon Homme Richard, Saratoga, Lexington
27 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : We cannot have a US Navy without a USS Enterprise. I think they should bring back the classic names including Yorktown, Hornet, Wasp, Lexington and Sa
28 Post contains images mffoda : Impressive! How many sorties per day can she support?
29 Dreadnought : Hey - no laughing! With big enough fans to direct it, the smell could be classified as a weapon of mass destruction!
30 Post contains images LMP737 : Admiral Rickover once said of changing the naming of attack subs from fish to cities "Fish don't vote". The same can be said of bugs.
31 aklrno : Vinson was in the House of Reps. Stennis was a Senator.
32 ZANL188 : Just as bad if not worse....
33 Zkpilot : Vinson is a bit of a special case... he was in the house for over 50years and was responsible for the USN getting a whole bunch of ships prior to WWI
34 Post contains images KC135TopBoom : No, Arizona is no longer in commission. There are many USN warship sunk during WWII that had a large loss of life among the crew that had their names
35 LMP737 : He was also the senator who asked Admiral Connolly if better engines were the asnwer for issues with the F-111B program. His now famous response "The
36 nomadd22 : Has the Enterprise found a home yet? I'd rather see her an artificial reef than being busted up in an Indian yard.
37 garnetpalmetto : Wasp and Bonhomme Richard are currently in commission as LHD-1 and LHD-6, respectively. Other "heritage" carrier names in the Wasp class include Essex
38 ZANL188 : Have any of the nuclear surface ships actually been broken up? I recall Long Beach's hull was still docked at Bremerton along with some retired SSNs.
39 garnetpalmetto : Yes, all but ex-Long Beach and ex-Mississippi have gone through SRP.
40 trigged : They need to reinstate the doctrine of naming carriers after famous battles (Saratoga, Lexington, etc.) instead of politicians. Ship names need to be
41 LMP737 : IMHO Admiral Nimitz was deserving of having a class of aicraft carrier named after him.
42 Oroka : Wow, wouldnt that be a sight! Park her where they want a reef, and pound her till she says uncle. I bet she will take quite a beating before actually
43 nomadd22 : It wouldn't happen. They'd need her to settle on the bottom upright, and that's not all that easy when you're trying to do it. Reefs are pretty shall
44 Geezer : All of this talk about the naming of ships is very interesting to me. When I was in the Navy, ( 1951 - 1959 ), we still had four Battleships in commis
45 ZANL188 : Both had SSNs named for them. Carter a Seawolf and Rickover a Los Angeles.
46 Geezer : Thank you ZANL188; I didn't realize how "out of date" I have become ! While I was stationed at the Sub Base in New London, I had to go to the launchi
47 dlednicer : What are you talking about? The territory and canal was returned to Panama, not China. Carter entered the Naval Academy in 1943 and was discharged fr
48 StudeDave : Just ask those guys who got to sink the Mighty 'O' about how to do it right!!! But I'd venture to guess that was the last time it'll happen like that
49 Zkpilot : who China has massive influence over...
50 Mir : To paraphrase Rickover (I think), insects don't vote. -Mir
51 Cadet985 : By the time the ocean completely consumes the
52 Cadet985 : I have no idea what happened to my post, but it should have read... "By the time the ocean consumes the sunken one, there may not be a US Navy."
53 Oroka : Yeah, but I doubt the team that sank the Oriskany would use torpedos, or Harpoons to sink the Enterprise. The ship would be stripped of pretty much e
54 KiwiRob : How about a U.S.S. Bush Jnr, now that would be a prime target for any self respecting terrorist.
55 Post contains images jwenting : Thunderbird 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5
56 StudeDave : As do I, but whatever they did- it worked pretty well, don't you think? They must know something about how to get a boat to settle upright. You are n
57 KiwiRob : I'm pretty sure the Chinese and Russians have the plans of the Enterprise and Nimitz Classes, I doubt by now there is much about these vessels which
58 Post contains links GDB : Geezer, you remember that hack 80's Hollywood P.O.S. called Red Dawn , more to the point the remake? I understand that the remake, with the USSR not l
59 ZANL188 : FWIW IMHO: It's entirely possible, & in fact likely, that Rickover & Carter had SSNs named after them to eliminate the possibility of a major
60 jwenting : Carter maybe. Admiral Rickover however was a highly respected general officer who is instrumental in creating the US nuclear submarine fleet (more th
61 GDB : Which just illustrates the whole silliness around naming major warships after Presidents, with his history in the USN, naming a (rather unique) SSN a
62 garnetpalmetto : Enterprise actually features 8 reactors. Or, less cynically, as tribute to the fact that he's been the only US President to be qualified in submarines
63 Oroka : Unless there is some mega secret floor plan, what could possible be down there that they cant remove, or is already known. I cant see what could be d
64 WESTERN737800 : I think we should have twice as many carriers as we do. That would allow us to keep more of the cool names around. I cant imangine the Navy without th
65 JoeCanuck : What if they choose Edsel...?
66 GDB : If anything, there are going to be fewer carriers in the future. Budget reality and actual military needs, whoever is in the White House. But I under
67 jwenting : sorry, but military needs require a certain number and even the current fleetsize is barely enough (and in wartime not enough) to meet the requiremen
68 Post contains images connies4ever : See my post 4. I have consistently maintained on this board that you can only have a military that you can 9reasonably) afford. The US will definitel
69 GDB : What is the defined military threat? They exist, carriers have been busy enough. The threat however is not an overtly hostile superpower with a large
70 LMP737 : They changed it to the North Koreans. Which makes it even more of a bizarre storyline. IMO George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are deserving of hav
71 KC135TopBoom : Sooner or later Bill Clinton will have some type of USN ship named after him, perhaps a screw tug (YFB). Perhaps, but then again, I cannot think of a
72 B727LVR : The USS Wisconsin was still on the active register all the way up to 12/14/2009. Even as a museum she is was in the ready reserve, and according to t
73 dlednicer : While not the commander, he was the Executive Officer of the USS Barracuda (SSK-1), the first diesel sub built after World War II. He also served as
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