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Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?  
User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

I know that the United States has all of the advanced avionics and things like that while Russia has some of the most maneuverable aircraft out there. Europe has a big mix of warplanes (some American-made aircraft, Dassults, Saabs, Panavias, etc.)

Here is a list of American Aircraft

F-14 Tomcat
F-15 Eagle
F-16 Falcon
F-18 Hornet/Super Hornet
F-117 Nighthawk
F-22 Raptor (to be in service soon)
AH-64 Apache (plus variants)
B-52 Flying Fortress (a.k.a "BUFF")
B-1 Lancer
B-2 Spirit
S-3A Viking
Sikorsky Helicopters (there are many of them)
AV-8B Harrier
KC-### Tankers
C-5 Galaxy
CH-47 Chinook
C-17 Globemaster
U-2
SR-71 Blackbird (No longer in service)
Air Force One (President's 747)
C-130 Hercules
Plus many other things that I probably don't know about


Which country do you think has the best warplanes?




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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Nellis just got a full compliment of F-22's (at least that's what's making it down the grape vine to me).


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Not to seem partial (God knows I've practically been raised through the USN and the Army due to family members being officers in those armed forces), but I truly do believe the US has some of the best military aircraft/forces out there. Just to add a few aircraft to your list that you missed:

P-3 Orion
C-9A/B (DC-9-31/-32)
A-10 Thunderbolt
E-2 Hawkeye
C-141 Starlifter
KC-135
KC-10 Extender
C-40 Clipper (73G)
CH-46 Sea Knight
SH-60B Seahawk and other -60 variants (Blackhawk, Jayhawk, Pavehawk)
EA-6B Prowler
E-3 Sentry
E-8 JSTARS
E-6B Mercury
RC-135 Cobra
767AWACS
EF-111 Raven (not sure if there are any of these Air Force birds still in service, but as of a year or two ago there were)

I'm probably missing a few....but that covers it pretty well. (Ow my brain hurts....had to think of all of those different desinators)

Bryan




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User currently offlineHamfist From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

PPGMD,

Not so sure about that "full compliment" of F-22's. Hell, I'm not really sure what full compliment means. However, let's not forget that before the Raptor can be employed, the pilots must be trained...and that's gonna happen at Tyndall AFB.


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

If you wish to find out more information about different aircraft from different countries visit

By the way, the only country I know to have the F-111 is Australia. Plus, Germany, Italy, and Britain have the Panavia Tornado, which is probably similar to the American F-14 Tomcat.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Yes, the USA removed the 111 from service.
Tornado is not similar to the F-14 at all. The IDS (GR) version is a cross between the Su-24 and the F-15E, the ADF (F) version similar to the F-15C.

767 AWACS isn't in service, and hasn't been ordered by the US. AFAIK the only countries that have it on order are Japan and possibly Turkey.
EF-111 was removed from service in 1992 or so, reasoning being that all future wars would involve the Navy with their carriers as well and the EA-6B could do the job quite nicely thank you. Personally I don't agree with that, as the EA-6 can't keep up with the Strike Eagles and F-16s for escort jamming (it's main use is barrier jamming), and there won't always be a carrier available seeing the drawback in the carrier force.




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User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

I would say that the Tornado IDS is the equivelent of the F15E

The ADF was designed as a pure interceptor, the last one that was in US service was the F-106. But the Tornado is much more advanced the the Delta Dart.

BTW: I understand that Tornado was one of the finalists for the CF-101 replacement but lost out on money reasons to the CF-18.

I don't agree with the removal of the Raven from US service either, I blame Clinton's cutbacks for that. With many retired F-111 airframes for spares that aircraft would have been operational for years








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User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8330 times:

My mistake on the Tornado comparison. The F-111 should have been kept in service because you never know when "big trouble" might arise and an aircraft carrier might be out of range of the "trouble."

User currently offlineRwalsh1348 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Currently one F/A-22 at Nellis for DIOT&E. Nellis will eventually get approx 9 aircraft for the evaluation. The rest of the planes delivered this year will go to Tyndall (starting in Oct/Nov '03). 1st operational wing will be at Langley AFB hopefully in 2005. Keep you fingers crossed...

User currently offlineGlenn From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

America

....................................

No argument


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8241 times:

Rwalsh,

I think they got the rest of the 9 because I have seen video with at least 4 F-22's taxing by.



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User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8202 times:

Most certainly America.

Although I'm quite Proud that Sweden has been building many of its own military aircraft for decades.

Viggen, Gripen, Saab 105 and the S100B still in service and retired a/c such as Draken, Lansen, Tunnan and various props, all made in Sweden, with a population less than 9 million.

Among the imports we have C-130's and a whole bunch of choppers.

Staffan


User currently offlineCharleslp From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8174 times:

I read somewhere that one of the Swedish-made aircraft could land and take off from a highway.



User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

Any a/c can operate off of a highway provided the roadbed has the strength to support the a/c and it is long enough/striaght enough.

Many European Air Forces routinely trained on using highways as alternate landing strips with hard shelters hiddden in woods alongside the roadway.


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Charleslp, Sweden's last three fighters (Draken, Viggen and Gripen) were all designed to operate off bases made up by roads. I've seen it be done, and I can tell you it's pretty impressive.

Staffan


User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

You guys forgot the C141!!


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7357 times:

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
Most certainly America



Quoting Glenn (Reply 9):
America

Don't you guys mean, United States? America is the whole continent.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2914 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 5):
767 AWACS isn't in service, and hasn't been ordered by the US. AFAIK the only countries that have it on order are Japan and possibly Turkey.

Japan has had their 767 AWACS delivered, and they are currently in service



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
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Quick answer....the US military has the most effective air force in the world. The most high quality aircraft out there, and at the least they are unbeaten in overall aerial combat since they went into business.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
I would say that the Tornado IDS is the equivelent of the F15E

Not really. It is inferior to the F-15E in payload, speed, maneuverability, radar, self defense capability, and other areas.

Quoting Charleslp (Reply 12):
I read somewhere that one of the Swedish-made aircraft could land and take off from a highway.

So can other airplanes, but I see someone else has corrected the potential misconception. Same with the 767AWACs issue.



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User currently offlineUSAF757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

About a year ago some USAF F-15Cs from the 3rd wing Elmendorf AFB, Alaska were deployed to Gwalior Air Force Station in India. They took part in the exercise "Cope India". This was the first time the F-15 went up against the Su-30 MKI Flanker. While the Eagle drivers didnt get "demolished" the USAF pilots where very impressed about the situational awareness of the IAF pilots in their Flankers. Interesting.

Even more reason to bring in the F/A-22, with that I think we know who will have air supremacy. Closely followed by the Eurofighter.


User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 19):
About a year ago some USAF F-15Cs from the 3rd wing Elmendorf AFB, Alaska were deployed to Gwalior Air Force Station in India. They took part in the exercise "Cope India". This was the first time the F-15 went up against the Su-30 MKI Flanker. While the Eagle drivers didnt get "demolished" the USAF pilots where very impressed about the situational awareness of the IAF pilots in their Flankers. Interesting.

People keep throwing this out without the rest of the Info, the attacks were all within visual range and involved a US 4 ship Vs an Indian 12 ship formation (which is the odds the US train for but should still be noted). While the F-15s were beaten in some exercises the circumstances were very suspect, I would not go advocating the downfall of the USAF just yet!

As for the thread USAF by far, although could see the RAAF up there, just need another 4000 or so aircraft!


User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 20):
People keep throwing this out without the rest of the Info, the attacks were all within visual range and involved a US 4 ship Vs an Indian 12 ship formation (which is the odds the US train for but should still be noted). While the F-15s were beaten in some exercises the circumstances were very suspect, I would not go advocating the downfall of the USAF just yet

There has been a lot of milage made because of the "results" of the excercise.

I think it is safe to say that neither side was showing their best tricks.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

USAF and USN by light years, has the best by test.

However, lets not discount aircraft like:

Su-30
MiG25 in it's day
Tornado


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

I woudl say the US have the best warplanes and the largest number, too.

Interesting is who comes second, I would say either Israel, France, U.k. and Japan ( in no particiluar order). I don´t know about Russia, they still have a large airfleet and some very good planes but due to money issues most of them stay on the ground.



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User currently offlineChecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Tyndall has a full compliment of Raptors now. The F/A-22 is also operational at Langley now with 4 of the aircraft currently here.

25 RC135U : Just a minor correction - "Cobra" would be fully "Cobra Ball" for the RC-135S version of the RC fleet.
26 PADSpot : In general the IDS is smaller and lighter than the F-15E. Its capability depends on the country it flies for. For instance UK's Tornado GR.4 has been
27 Post contains images AeroVodochody : the president's 747 is a VC-25 actually I think the PLAAF (china) may have the largest number.. I think the difference is like 10 aircraft though...
28 Post contains images HaveBlue : You dredged up a 2 year old dead thread for that?
29 Post contains images BarfBag : a) The Su-30MKIs were not used in Cope India. The ones that flew were -30MKs, which were just 2 seater export versions of the base Su-27s. The MKIs a
30 Atmx2000 : Lockheed is the prime contractor, not Boeing. I don't think they could ever work out a way of getting the development costs worked into a exportable
31 FutureUALpilot : I read in a book recently that the US may have the most advanced planes and all kinds of whizz-bang technology, but what are we going to do when China
32 AirRyan : Simple answer to a silly question: My country! I like the USN's fleet of aircraft in Gulf War 1 than I do in the current Iraqi OIF. Sure, we have bett
33 Bushpilot : I think everyone is also overlooking a huge component of what makes military airplanes effective. That is the aircrew. The US military has the best tr
34 Post contains images Stoney : If we're talking about the crew, then I'd say Israel would be way up there. They don't have a huge Air Force like the US, but they certainly are effec
35 PADSpot : Whoops. My fault, sorry. Apparently I missed to look it up properly ... .
36 Garnetpalmetto : Flying Fortress was the B-17. B-52 is the Stratofortress.
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