Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26718 posts, RR: 83 Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9210 times:
IAE needs a win after being frozen out of the commercial market (once the A320 Classic ends production in favor of the A320neo) so .
r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2249 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8311 times:
An unexpected choice - the "typical" thing to do would have been to go for the so popular CFM56. This is definitely a big win for IAE as it will help sustain them beyond the NEO EIS. I wonder if the fleet of IAE-powered A32x's, plus the pontential KC-390 orders, will be enough to sustain additional PIP's in the future, to help its competitiveness (even if it will always stay inferior to Leap-X and GTF).
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8108 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1): IAE needs a win after being frozen out of the commercial market (once the A320 Classic ends production in favor of the A320neo) so .
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1): An unexpected choice - the "typical" thing to do would have been to go for the so popular CFM56. This is definitely a big win for IAE as it will help sustain them beyond the NEO EIS. I wonder if the fleet of IAE-powered A32x's, plus the pontential KC-390 orders, will be enough to sustain additional PIP's in the future, to help its competitiveness (even if it will always stay inferior to Leap-X and GTF).
Agree IAE needed a win, but this choice kind of surprises me. I rather thought the LEAP-X might have been the choice. Still France-sourced (more or elss) which keeps the political decision for France to purchase the KC-390 on the table to some degree.
Devilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8090 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 3): Agree IAE needed a win, but this choice kind of surprises me. I rather thought the LEAP-X might have been the choice. Still France-sourced (more or elss) which keeps the political decision for France to purchase the KC-390 on the table to some degree.
Perhaps Embraer felt that IAE's comparatively less full plate would allow it to focus more attention on the KC-390. Lesser demand for the V2500 could've also motivated IAE to agree a better deal for Embraer. It's a proven engine and good enough for the less fuel-price and technology sensitive military transport and derivatives market. Besides, the smaller, multi-national structure of the company may serve the partnership in good stead as they try to sell the KC-390 elsewhere. I think France's commitment to the KC-390 is a lot more dependent on Brazil's decision regarding the Rafale.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8040 times:
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4): I think France's commitment to the KC-390 is a lot more dependent on Brazil's decision regarding the Rafale.
Oh, definitely. I think Rafale was more or less a done deal when da SIlva was the President, but now with Ms Roussef it is less clear what's going to happen. The F/A-18E/F is certainly back in the race. Ironic since she spent so much time being virulently anti-American as a member of MR8 in the 60s/70s.
SpruceMoose From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6829 times:
I wonder if this is an attempt by P&W to bury the V2500 and force operators/manufacturers to focus on the GTF. Part of this deal as well is that RR shelve the Open Rotor concept (for now, anyway) and jump into the GTF world.
Quote: "Boeing and Embraer have announced an agreement to collaborate on marketing and developing technologies for the latter's KC-390 transport/tanker.
The memorandum of understanding (MoU) calls for sharing 'specific technical knowledge,' but no details have yet been revealed. 'We didn't really get into the specifics,' says Boeing, 'it's just a collaboration to share technology.'
With Boeing's access to US and key foreign markets, the agreement includes exploring joint sales efforts.'
Although Boeing hastens to add.....
Quote: 'This agreement is not linked to F-X2,' says Boeing, referring to the fighter competition. 'This agreement with Embraer will continue regardless of results'."
Hmmn.....might be a launching pad too for cooperation in the lower-capacity airliner sector?
r2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2249 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 8): "Boeing and Embraer have announced an agreement to collaborate on marketing and developing technologies for the latter's KC-390 transport/tanker.
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 8): might be a launching pad too for cooperation in the lower-capacity airliner sector?
I wouldn't read too much into this. It's just a vague declaration of intentions with no specifics. At most it will lead to some ad-hoc cooperation on specific projects (Brazil is pretty good with biofuels, for instance), and Boeing could help out it in the KC-390 sales efforts (and compete with rival LM's C-130J sales). But this is no big agreement and certainly far from any strategic partnership.
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