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Restore Moffett Field's Hangar One  
User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

The historic Hangar One at California's former Moffet Naval Air Station in being demolished. This hangar was built in the 1930s for the Navy's dirigible USS Macon.

Please take a minute to go here and sign this petition to restore Moffett Field's Hangar One:

http://www.petitiononline.com/SHOC2011/petition.html

Thanks.

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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7164 times:
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A couple of thoughts....

- I suspect Senator Feinstein would be little swayed by out of state voters signing a petition such as this. Yep, the congress critters have staff that check such things... Not much point in out of staters like myself signing it.

- What are the proposed uses for the building and how will they be paid for?

[Edited 2011-08-11 08:35:15]


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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
Not much point in out of staters like myself signing it.

I disagree. We're all taxpayers. If H1 becomes a world class aviation museum it will attract out of state tourists.

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
What are the proposed uses for the building and how will they be paid for?

There are many different ideas. First thing is to save it.

Personally, I'd like to see it become a world-class aviation museum.


User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

I knew they were taking the siding off of Hangar One but didn't know they were actually demolishing it! I guess the National Historic Landmark status doesn't matter to anyone making descisions.


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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

Quoting n53614 (Reply 3):
I knew they were taking the siding off of Hangar One but didn't know they were actually demolishing it!

To nit-pick, I think that they're leaving the frame skeleton up for now, but without new siding it's only a matter of time.

The navy has been insistent on demolition despite overwhelming community opposition. see http://www.nuqu.org/ for more information.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7123 times:
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Quoting psa188 (Reply 2):
I disagree.

Why would a CA Senator care or spend time/money on what I think? They're not going to do diddly for anyone out of state and probably not anything for a CA resident that's not registered to vote.

Folks need to vote & then write to their own representatives.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 5):
Why would a CA Senator care or spend time/money on what I think?

Well, if nobody signs the petition, there's a 0% chance of anything positive happening.

If people take 2 seconds to sign the free petition, there's a 2% chance of something happening. I'd go with the 2% instead of the 0%, especially since the cost to me in time and money is next to nothing.

But you are free to ignore the petition. Just don't complain when another part of aviation history turns to dust. Some of us would rather fight.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7052 times:
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Quoting psa188 (Reply 6):
But you are free to ignore the petition. Just don't complain when another part of aviation history turns to dust. Some of us would rather fight.

I'm not ignoring your petition. I'm mearly suggesting that it would be more effective if out of state folks were to write to their own representatives.



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User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 7):
I'm mearly suggesting that it would be more effective if out of state folks were to write to their own representatives.

Actually, it wouldn't hurt to do both.


User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

That breakes my heart. I use to work out of that hangar. From 95-97 then they moved us over to Hangar 3.

User currently offlinepsa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 518 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Yesterday, the Mountain View Voice had an article on the petition drive:
Petitioners rally to save Hangar One:
http://www.mv-voice.com/news/show_story.php?id=4594&e=y

"I lobbied for passage of the National Historic Preservation Act in 1966 to ensure Federal Agencies did not destroy our heritage," wrote local historic preservation activist Bonnie Bamburg. "Hanger One is the biggest Federal building in Northern California and it must be rehabilitated so that it can adapt to new uses and remain our visual connection to the lighter than air ships, WWII and the spirit that led us during that time."


User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1864 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

People argued about the big B-17 hangars at Hobbs Airfield for years. I guess God got tired of listening because a couple of good windstorms settled the issue. It made for a lot of homeless cats.


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User currently offlineTaxPilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 98 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6804 times:

"Signing their names and writing notes on a petition, hundreds of people around the country are making it clear that Hangar One is an important piece of history to them, even as it is reduced to a bare skeletal frame in an environmental cleanup.

An online version of the petition to U.S. senator Dianne Feinstein had 226 signatures as of Wednesday morning. The passion of supporters was made clear in their comments next to their signatures..."

Mountain View Voice 8/11/2011

Around the country and around the world everyone should sign!


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

While the hangar is a cool and historical structure, I'm not sure it's worth saving at this point. Is there a group at the ready with money to spend maintaining (and restoring) it? Is there a planned use?

Talking about what could be done with it is getting old. There's been lots of talk for a long time but the thing is just getting older and more run down.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

Are they not making vodka in it anymore?

NS


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25365 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6732 times:

Let it go.

Its old, decrepit, ad full of PCB and asbestos.

Per Feinstein's office its estimated to cost $32mil to just reskin hangar, for at best a marginal use.

With all the problems the nation faces, throwing tax payer money at this is not the thing to do.

And out of curiosity, where were all the preservationist the last decade as the facility set empty? Did anyone step up with money and offer to take it off the governments hands?



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6689 times:

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 13):
While the hangar is a cool and historical structure, I'm not sure it's worth saving at this point. Is there a group at the ready with money to spend maintaining (and restoring) it? Is there a planned use?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Let it go.

Its old, decrepit, ad full of PCB and asbestos.

Per Feinstein's office its estimated to cost $32mil to just reskin hangar, for at best a marginal use.

With all the problems the nation faces, throwing tax payer money at this is not the thing to do.

And out of curiosity, where were all the preservationist the last decade as the facility set empty? Did anyone step up with money and offer to take it off the governments hands?

Under this premisse us Europeans should tear down all these medieval castles we have everywhere.
Here in Germany we even preserved a whole steel mill as an industrial museum in a region, which was largely influenced by the steel industry. Similarly in Dortmund a coal mine got preserved to preserve the heritage of the region.
In the US you seem to look just at the immediate earning potential. If you can´t make a lot of $$$ right now, you´ll tear kit down and scrap it. Later you´ll wonder where it has gone, like the Apollo 11 launch tower.

Jan


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6684 times:
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They could always turn it into a tropical theme park like our friends in Berlin did. On second thought that's probably the last thing Calif. needs, another theme park.

I wonder if this place turns a euro?

http://www.tropical-islands.de

edit: I thought Tropical Islands was built in an old Zeppelin hangar. In trying to locate its history I discovered it's relatively modern - built in 2000 for a heavy lifter company that went bust. Taxpayer funded reconstruction project for the former East Germany?

[Edited 2011-08-13 04:00:50]

[Edited 2011-08-13 04:01:53]


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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
And out of curiosity, where were all the preservationist the last decade as the facility set empty? Did anyone step up with money and offer to take it off the governments hands?

I could be mistaken but based on what I recall reading they've been doing exactly what they've been doing now. Talking a lot, writing letters, starting petitions and maybe websites. That's it.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
Under this premisse us Europeans should tear down all these medieval castles we have everywhere.

Preserving historical structures is a great thing, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Not only are Europe's castles significantly older than this hangar, they are a significant asset to the tourism industry and it's not difficult to figure out what to do with them if/when they are restored.

This hangar isn't that old. Isn't one of a kind and hasn't been of real use for a long time. Someone else proposed an aircraft musuem inside it... there's already a similar hangar with an aircraft museum inside it on the west coast! How many world class air museums should we have on the west coast?

I'm not against it being restored, but I'm against the idea of using public financing to get it done.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 18):

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
Under this premisse us Europeans should tear down all these medieval castles we have everywhere.

Preserving historical structures is a great thing, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Not only are Europe's castles significantly older than this hangar, they are a significant asset to the tourism industry and it's not difficult to figure out what to do with them if/when they are restored.

This hangar isn't that old. Isn't one of a kind and hasn't been of real use for a long time. Someone else proposed an aircraft musuem inside it... there's already a similar hangar with an aircraft museum inside it on the west coast! How many world class air museums should we have on the west coast?

Neither is the coal mine nor the steel mill and foundry, but they are important for the respective region´s heritage. Unfortunately the large Zeppelin hangar in FRA was demolished in 1940 on Göring´s orders (he hated lighter than air aircraft), together with the Hindenburg´s sister ship "Graf Zeppelin II" and the original Graf Zeppelin.

BTW, many of the castles are either ruins (which still have to be secured as not to be a hazard to the public) or else open to the public without any direct commercial interest. We see things like this as part of our heritage and preserve it, if necessary, with public funds.

Jan


User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1545 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 14):
Are they not making vodka in it anymore?

I assume you're talking about Hangar 1 Vodka. Wrong Hangar 1. They're in Hangar 1 at Alameda, not Moffett.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6611 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
Neither is the coal mine nor the steel mill and foundry, but they are important for the respective region´s heritage.

How is the building at Moffett important to the regions heritage? California is not known as a hotbed of airship activity as Germany is/was.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
We see things like this as part of our heritage and preserve it, if necessary, with public funds.

What kind of tax rate does the typical German worker pay to support this level of funding?

Must be a part of recent European thinking because as you note many of the Castles are still in ruins & the airship hangar at FRA is non-existent.



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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 19):
Neither is the coal mine nor the steel mill and foundry, but they are important for the respective region´s heritage.

Maybe they shouldn't have recieved public funding. I don't know.

Look, the website for the group fighting to preserve this hangar doesn't even present any argument as to why it should be preserved. No attempt to paint it as historically significant. No proposed use. No justification whatsoever.

I appreciate the hangar (really, I've been in it, worked next to it), but it's not useful. To most, it's not beautiful. It has no purpose other to stand there and cost money. To be honest, it isn't even important to the region's heritage (I'd argue). Sure there is history there, but the whole area has been completely redefined as the silicon valley which has nothing to do with the hangar.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6554 times:

What about a museum about the US´s history concerning airships? After all you used to have a fleet of four big ones (the Los Angeles, built by Zeppelin and given to the US as reparation for WW1, the Shenandoah, the Akron and the Macon) plus numerous smaller blimps used for anti-submarine work.
Especially the Macon and Akron had some very intersting features, having been designed as fling aircraft carriers.
Moffett Field would be a natural location for such a museum (the other place would be Lakehurst in New Jersey).
AFAIK the only leftover Zeppelin anchor mast surviving is located in Recife, Brazil.

Jan


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 23):
What about a museum about the US´s history concerning airships?

I like your idea. I've been to a lot of aircraft museums, including the official Army, USAF, USN ones, and there are no blimps of course. At the USN one in Pensacola they have a gondola and engine and some other parts displayed but that's the most I've seen or know about.

It would be nice to see an airship museum, though I'm not sure how many people would be attracted to it that aren't already aircraft enthusiast.



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25 mham001 : I'm with you. It's an odd eyesore, it sits on very expensive land, nobody has presented a viable use for the thing and airships are not something ass
26 KingairTA : 32 million to reskin it? Ouch!!! Don't forget the structure. How safe is it still? I made a few attempts to get to the top but chickened out because I
27 MD11Engineer : If it is gone, it is gone. Then it will be prohibitively expensive to rebuild it. In any case, if you want something to be interesting to the great u
28 HaveBlue : I agree with you to a point MD11Engineer.. just as far as aircraft goes there are many times when no or almost no example was left after scrapping...
29 mham001 : Exactly what do you believe is the historical significance of this building?
30 StuckInCA : In general, I would probably be described as a preservationist. I think you're missing context in this case. I'm not going to do research right now,
31 Post contains links psa188 : They've been fighting the Navy on this for most of this decade. I moved back to the Bay Area in 2005 after 20 years in New York, and the "save hangar
32 StuckInCA : I'm pretty sure it's been longer than that. I remember chatter, organized or not, from years before that. But does anyone have any real ideas on what
33 psa188 : I'm sure you're right. My point is that the controversy predates my 2005 relocation from NYC to the Bay Area. There's no shortage of proposed uses. M
34 StuckInCA : I guess I'm wondering about uses proposed by groups that are likely to actually put the building to said use. There is already a world class aircraft
35 Post contains links psa188 : I know that there have been proposals for re-use, nobody is saying to just preserve it for its own sake. I think that much of the political fight so
36 n53614 : I remember hearing in a Moffett Field restoration advisory board meeting that Lockheed (or a similar defense contractor) was looking for a West Coast
37 psa188 : That's a good option. Fact is, Hangar one is big enough that part of it could become a museum and part could be used for modern lighter than air craf
38 Post contains links psa188 : If you're ever over this way, you can visit the Moffett Field Historical Society Museum http://www.moffettfieldmuseum.org/ It's not exclusively a LTA
39 gigneil : Ah. That makes some sense then. NS
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