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T-50/ PAK-FA First Public Flight At MAKS2011  
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 13930 times:

Novosti reports that the 5th gen Russian Fighter T-50 made its maiden public flight at MAKS2011. It is meant as a Raptor equivalent and Russia expects to produce about 1,000 copies, with 200 for the Indian Air Force which is is partner in the PAK-FA program.


http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110816/165826820.html



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13831 times:

Being a huge fan of dissimiliar aircraft formations, this did it for me...


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Photo © Svido Stanislav




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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 13778 times:

This is the photo that caught my attention!



User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13744 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 2):

Yes! looks like a Mk 2....


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 13739 times:

And here is another picture that shows off her lines:


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User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13604 times:

Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13548 times:

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 5):
Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?

Relax,you will have a 2000+ F-35 also....  



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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13535 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 6):
Relax,you will have a 2000+ F-35 also....

Not at the rate we're going. In case you missed it, we got our credit rating downgraded.  


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 13504 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 7):
Not at the rate we're going. In case you missed it, we got our credit rating downgraded.

No matter what any agency says,you are Americans!  



It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13053 times:

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 5):
Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?

If 180-odd F-22s, plus however many F-35s we end up with, plus our "legacy" a/c (F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.) can't get it done, then we have bigger problems than buying more F-22s would solve by itself.   


User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12794 times:

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 5):
Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?


There is no problem:
1. There is no threat of war between the U.S. and Russia or India
2. If war were to break out, fighters with limited range would not be the biggest concern, no matter how good.
3. The F-22 has been grounded since May 2011
4. We can't afford any more as the defense budget is being cut


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 3):
Yes! looks like a Mk 2....

I was more interested in the fact that it is the first photo I have seen of 2 T-50 flying together. To my knowledge, Blue 52 was flown a few times, then went in for 3 months of maintenance, and was only very recently seen flying again.


User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

And none of this changes the fact that this is a thoroughly lazy design, essentially a superficially modified Su-27. A sad testimony to the rot that a once great scientific nation has descended into.

pity India is investing in this POS



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 12196 times:

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 12):
And none of this changes the fact that this is a thoroughly lazy design, essentially a superficially modified Su-27. A sad testimony to the rot that a once great scientific nation has descended into.

pity India is investing in this POS

   welcome back! On leave, eh?

I've been spending a lot of time on Bharat Rakshak getting duly brainwashed but seems like a good source for Indian defence info. I am still of the view that India is spending a huge amount of $$$ with dubious benefit. Granted its squadrons are getting old, but the billions are beginning to add up.


User currently offlinecmb56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 12086 times:

Hum, let see, F-22 grounded, F-35 grounded.

Maybe this POS could give them a pretty good run if they can't get off the ground.

Seriously the threat to the US concerning national security is simply our massive overhanging debt.

Budget cutting is more likely to shoot down F-22s / F-35s than any Russian or Chinese next gen fighter.


User currently offlineShmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
welcome back! On leave, eh?

Shanks Shanks, all good your end i trust?

Quoting comorin (Reply 13):
but the billions are beginning to add up.

Yes in the Air Marshals, Generals, Admirals and Sonia Gandhi's pockets - not where they count

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 14):
Maybe this POS could give them a pretty good run if they can't get off the ground.

Possibly - but last i heard the aegis/SM3 and patriots still work just fine. And the F-18E and F-15SE will still be electronically superior



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1449 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 14):
And the F-18E and F-15SE will still be electronically superior

I think you make a cogent point here - clearly the Russians are able to build something that is physically, structurally "5th-Generation", and may nominally have most the requisite features, but just how good the systems are is another issue. I would be very interested to know how that all shakes out -- e.g., if it's true, as you say, that these 4/4.5-gen Western planes equipped with the most modern avionics can leverage these to overcome the nominal stealthiness of the T-50.


User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11593 times:

Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 10):
There is no problem:
1. There is no threat of war between the U.S. and Russia or India
2. If war were to break out, fighters with limited range would not be the biggest concern, no matter how good.
3. The F-22 has been grounded since May 2011
4. We can't afford any more as the defense budget is being cut

While for the most part I was playing around ofr my last comment although I would like to see more F-22's (if they ever get them flying again) I think your #1 statement is off there is no garantee that 10 or 15 years or sooner down the road we will not be in some regional comflict with either country, while I think the chances with India are alot slimmer aliances have constantly changed and that us a pretty bold prediction stating there is no threat or war between Russia and the US when they invaded the reublic of georgia there was alot of talk the US was going to send fighters to enforce a no fly zone. So yes there was a threat there and a very recent one.

You are right on #4 I think we all had better get use to that one.

Dont count out Russian aviation everytime I have placed them as being dead and behind the times they come out with a winner. While now its not a prize by any means the T-50 does have potential will it ever fully develop who knows but I wouldnt discount them.

[Edited 2011-08-27 00:14:49]

User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11590 times:

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 14):
Seriously the threat to the US concerning national security is simply our massive overhanging debt.

That and the rising chinese military and the 13,000 or so nukes the russians still have and other emerging not so friendly natiosn to the US "You forgot a few" !!!


User currently offlinepylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11290 times:

You know, it's up to us: you and me, people on "Washington Post" forums and Russian Internet forums - to overcome distrust and become friendly nations.

I am the head of a Russian program of a small U.S. company for 18 years - turned out to be a life time employment (so far).
And sometimes - after watching Obama on C-SPAN I talk to my mother and say: "Our president said...".
And she says - "Which one?" She knows me.

Smersh, good to see you again!


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 900 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 19):
You know, it's up to us: you and me, people on "Washington Post" forums and Russian Internet forums - to overcome distrust and become friendly nations.

It is hard to let that happen when Russia is stepping up its military patrols, sending bombers deep into international airspace, sitting just on the border of nations airspace. Then comments about having more T-50s than the US has F-22s... like there is still a competition.

But, it is also hard for that to happen with the US poking its nose in the affairs of other countries, when it is felt to be in the best interest of the US.


We can all join in a circle, hold hands, and chant songs about peace and brotherhood, but when the leadership of our countries are busy having a pissing contest in the wind, our words will fall on deaf ears.

Who cares... China will own it all eventually anyways.


User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Quoting pylon101 (Reply 19):
I am the head of a Russian program of a small U.S. company for 18 years - turned out to be a life time employment (so far).

Good luck with that one with our administration..lol


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10730 times:
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Quoting Oroka (Reply 20):
It is hard to let that happen when Russia is stepping up its military patrols, sending bombers deep into international airspace, sitting just on the border of nations airspace.

I am sure the US have quite a number of submarines, airborne ELINT aircraft and satellites tasked to Russia and/or China.

How about the 10 US supercarriers that roam freely around the world as "Power projection"?

You may say that they are patrolling the sea's and acting as deterrents to 'rogue states' (A US term)

Look at them from the other side.........


User currently offlinewvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10424 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 22):
You may say that they are patrolling the sea's and acting as deterrents to 'rogue states' (A US term)

Just out of curiousity what would you call them?


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