comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4677 posts, RR: 17 Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9171 times:
Novosti reports that the 5th gen Russian Fighter T-50 made its maiden public flight at MAKS2011. It is meant as a Raptor equivalent and Russia expects to produce about 1,000 copies, with 200 for the Indian Air Force which is is partner in the PAK-FA program.
HaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2069 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9068 times:
Being a huge fan of dissimiliar aircraft formations, this did it for me...
comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4677 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8981 times:
comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4677 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8976 times:
And here is another picture that shows off her lines:
wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8841 times:
Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?
LHCVG From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 1369 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8290 times:
Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 5): Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?
If 180-odd F-22s, plus however many F-35s we end up with, plus our "legacy" a/c (F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.) can't get it done, then we have bigger problems than buying more F-22s would solve by itself.
tommytoyz From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1103 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8031 times:
Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 5): Anyone else seeing a problem with the US only ordering 186 raptors or is it just me?
There is no problem:
1. There is no threat of war between the U.S. and Russia or India
2. If war were to break out, fighters with limited range would not be the biggest concern, no matter how good.
3. The F-22 has been grounded since May 2011
4. We can't afford any more as the defense budget is being cut
I was more interested in the fact that it is the first photo I have seen of 2 T-50 flying together. To my knowledge, Blue 52 was flown a few times, then went in for 3 months of maintenance, and was only very recently seen flying again.
Shmertspionem From India, joined Aug 2006, 451 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7563 times:
And none of this changes the fact that this is a thoroughly lazy design, essentially a superficially modified Su-27. A sad testimony to the rot that a once great scientific nation has descended into.
comorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4677 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7433 times:
Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 12): And none of this changes the fact that this is a thoroughly lazy design, essentially a superficially modified Su-27. A sad testimony to the rot that a once great scientific nation has descended into.
pity India is investing in this POS
welcome back! On leave, eh?
I've been spending a lot of time on Bharat Rakshak getting duly brainwashed but seems like a good source for Indian defence info. I am still of the view that India is spending a huge amount of $$$ with dubious benefit. Granted its squadrons are getting old, but the billions are beginning to add up.
LHCVG From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 1369 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6959 times:
Quoting cmb56 (Reply 14): And the F-18E and F-15SE will still be electronically superior
I think you make a cogent point here - clearly the Russians are able to build something that is physically, structurally "5th-Generation", and may nominally have most the requisite features, but just how good the systems are is another issue. I would be very interested to know how that all shakes out -- e.g., if it's true, as you say, that these 4/4.5-gen Western planes equipped with the most modern avionics can leverage these to overcome the nominal stealthiness of the T-50.
wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6830 times:
Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 10): There is no problem:
1. There is no threat of war between the U.S. and Russia or India
2. If war were to break out, fighters with limited range would not be the biggest concern, no matter how good.
3. The F-22 has been grounded since May 2011
4. We can't afford any more as the defense budget is being cut
While for the most part I was playing around ofr my last comment although I would like to see more F-22's (if they ever get them flying again) I think your #1 statement is off there is no garantee that 10 or 15 years or sooner down the road we will not be in some regional comflict with either country, while I think the chances with India are alot slimmer aliances have constantly changed and that us a pretty bold prediction stating there is no threat or war between Russia and the US when they invaded the reublic of georgia there was alot of talk the US was going to send fighters to enforce a no fly zone. So yes there was a threat there and a very recent one.
You are right on #4 I think we all had better get use to that one.
Dont count out Russian aviation everytime I have placed them as being dead and behind the times they come out with a winner. While now its not a prize by any means the T-50 does have potential will it ever fully develop who knows but I wouldnt discount them.
wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6827 times:
Quoting cmb56 (Reply 14): Seriously the threat to the US concerning national security is simply our massive overhanging debt.
That and the rising chinese military and the 13,000 or so nukes the russians still have and other emerging not so friendly natiosn to the US "You forgot a few" !!!
pylon101 From Russia, joined Feb 2008, 1391 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 6527 times:
You know, it's up to us: you and me, people on "Washington Post" forums and Russian Internet forums - to overcome distrust and become friendly nations.
I am the head of a Russian program of a small U.S. company for 18 years - turned out to be a life time employment (so far).
And sometimes - after watching Obama on C-SPAN I talk to my mother and say: "Our president said...".
And she says - "Which one?" She knows me.
Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 789 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6424 times:
Quoting pylon101 (Reply 19): You know, it's up to us: you and me, people on "Washington Post" forums and Russian Internet forums - to overcome distrust and become friendly nations.
It is hard to let that happen when Russia is stepping up its military patrols, sending bombers deep into international airspace, sitting just on the border of nations airspace. Then comments about having more T-50s than the US has F-22s... like there is still a competition.
But, it is also hard for that to happen with the US poking its nose in the affairs of other countries, when it is felt to be in the best interest of the US.
We can all join in a circle, hold hands, and chant songs about peace and brotherhood, but when the leadership of our countries are busy having a pissing contest in the wind, our words will fall on deaf ears.
Who cares... China will own it all eventually anyways.
wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6027 times:
Quoting pylon101 (Reply 19): I am the head of a Russian program of a small U.S. company for 18 years - turned out to be a life time employment (so far).
Good luck with that one with our administration..lol
Eagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1621 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5967 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 20): It is hard to let that happen when Russia is stepping up its military patrols, sending bombers deep into international airspace, sitting just on the border of nations airspace.
I am sure the US have quite a number of submarines, airborne ELINT aircraft and satellites tasked to Russia and/or China.
How about the 10 US supercarriers that roam freely around the world as "Power projection"?
You may say that they are patrolling the sea's and acting as deterrents to 'rogue states' (A US term)
wvsuperhornet From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5661 times:
Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 22): You may say that they are patrolling the sea's and acting as deterrents to 'rogue states' (A US term)
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