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Air Force One And President Obama At NCE For G-20  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7812 times:

Does any one have any info on the expected arrival time of Air Force One and President Obama at Nice Airport for the G-20 Summit to be held in Cannes on 3 and 4 November 2011.

http://www.g20-g8.com/g8-g20/g20/fra...t-de-gouvernement-des-pays.42.html

How can I get the information? I looked on the airport website. It only gives information on regular airlines but not any private/official flights.

It would be nice to spot the US Presidential aircraft at landing or take-off - and there will be many more Heads of State aircrafts. Could be quite interesting. A rare circumstance to see all these airplanes in this beautiful airport by the sea.


  

[Edited 2011-11-01 05:51:40]


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

It's pretty rare that actual ETA's are given out for AF1 arrivals other than to affected parties at the airport. Approximate times are sometimes given out, but never really announced to the general public.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

Thanks for your reply with the information.

This is what I got about the presidential trip by doing a bit of research on the White House website. No more details than that. No idea what time Thursday morning it would put Air Force One on the ground in Nice.

Quote:
We'll be leaving here Wednesday night to fly to France.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ents-trip-cannes-france-g20-summit

They will probably leave Friday night.

  

[Edited 2011-11-01 07:54:05]


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

When they are traveling domestically, it's easier to track using FAA TFR info, but I don't know if anything like that is available in France. The Washington Post does maintain POTUS Tracker, a daily calendar of the President's schedule. It only includes the current date (as well as all past dates since President Obama took office) so you will have to check it on the days he might be expected to arrive. When he traveled to NYC during the UN General Assembly session in September, it included fairly accurate times (within reason, based on the fluid nature of his schedule) of his departure and arrival times.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Thank you Moose. I had no idea there was such a thing as a POTUS Tracker.

 

May prove helpful tomorrow or the next day.

  



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7702 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 3):

Interesting. Didn't realize that info was available. Thanks for sharing.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7619 times:

POTUS tracker says:

6:45 p.m. Obama departs the White House en route Joint Base Andrews
7 p.m. Obama departs Joint Base Andrews en route Nice, France

***

7.00 PM is 1.00 AM here.
If they fly off at 7.00 PM from Andrews AFB I wonder what time it would put them on the ground at NCE. Looks like it might be a very early landing.

Is Air Force One faster across the Atlantic than let's say another regular 747?
Is there any way to track the flight and get a sure estimated landing time?

Can we find them on FlightAware for example or other such flight tracker? What is the call sign for the aircraft?
I could take my radio scanner and listen to the Tower in Nice but I wonder if this could get me in trouble with the police?

       



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

From To Initial
Heading Distance
ADW (38°48'39"N 76°52'01"W) NCE (43°39'55"N 7°12'54"E) 55.7° (NE) 4198 mi
Total: 4198 mi

Code Dictionary
Code Source Location
ADW FAA Camp Springs [Andrews AFB], MD, US
NCE AIP Nice [Côte d'Azur], FR

ADW-nce&PC=red&DU=mi&RC=navy&RS=best&SU=kts" target="_blank">http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?MS=defaul...C=red&DU=mi&RC=navy&RS=best&SU=kts

I suppose the US Presidential flight does not report their route to normal ATCs and are not trace-able? Are they?
Any second and third aircrafts taking the Persident's giant armoured car and other props? Do they take that on every trip?

    



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

There are usually a number of aircraft used when POTUS travels, especially internationally. A USAF C-17 (probably a couple) will bring the limo, helicopters, and other support equipment in, a couple of days before his arrival. Typically on international trips, the second VC-25 will be shadowing them, landing somewhere in the region, and there is almost always another aircraft for the press. None of this would show up on flight trackers, however they will talk to ATC as does any other flight, and you can hear them on an aviation scanner - when I've photographed them coming and going at JFK, I always have my radio, listening for their call. They do use the "Air Force 1" call sign on the radio, although it's possible they use a more discreet call sign when traveling overseas. Might be something like "SAM xxx" (SAM is Special Air Mission, the c/s they use when POTUS is not on board).


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Just got fresh news from a friend in high places at NCE airport. He has all the lists. The total number in the US delegation will be 800 persons. They are bringing 4 aircrafts. One sent to an un-disclosed location.

POTUS aircraft is expected at 8.00 AM landing from West to East. Many have already landed including President Medvedev. The Russians have two aircrafts, an Ilyushin and a Tupolev. The Argentine and Brazil lady Presidents flew on Embraers.

President Sarkozy will arrive tonight in a A310. Mrs Merkel will have a German Air Force A340. She will also arrive in the evening.

Everybody is most curious about Air Force One. The weather will not be good, cloudy and windy but no rain is announced. The G-20 is a really big deal in Cannes. Security is really tight - lots of police forces - even ground to air missiles. This will be a costly 48 hours.

I know my spot. Better get there early to circulate and see about security and the weather also. Winds will be an important factor for the landings.



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Good luck - hope you get some good photos!


KC-135 - Passing gas and taking names!
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

BBC News has just shown live pictures from Virginia, (Andrews AFB?)

A VC25 took off and a B757 was taxiing for take off.


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/US%20Air%20Force-active-b757.htm

Perhaps I should say VC32A?.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7420 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
I suppose the US Presidential flight does not report their route to normal ATCs and are not trace-able?

AF1 does file flight plans with ATC and are tracked. A Japanese controller got into trouble for posting a picture of the flight path of a past visit by Pres. Obama to Japan on his personal blog. He recently received his punishment-a 3 month suspension.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
Good luck - hope you get some good photos!

No. They came in the other way. Bad weather - low ceiling with bad visibility.
Estimated landing was 7.25 AM though it seemed later than that. I had 7.42 AM. They must have changed things around last minute. Air traffic was pretty much interrupted they must have put other aircrafts on hold but I saw an Easyjet coming in. Looked like the Geneva flight.
I will go back and try again when they leave. I must find out when.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Today Friday 4 November 2011 Second and last day of G-20 in Cannes
Weather forecast for NCE: heavy rain with thunder
I will definitely make an attempt to be in/around the airport late afternoon/evening.


POTUS tracker - all times local

5 p.m. Obama participates in a joint interview with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France with TF 1 and France 2
6:10 p.m. Obama departs Nice, France en route Joint Base Andrews
10:10 p.m. Obama arrives Joint Base Andrews
10:25 p.m. Obama arrives the White House


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..........................
DEPARTURE FROM / ARRIVAL TO NICE AIRPORT WILL BE GRANTED ONLY TO
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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

Will it be too dark for pictures?.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7223 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 16):
Will it be too dark for pictures?.

I phoned Lufthansa friend at the airport. She said Air Force One is visible from panoramic restaurant at Terminal 2.
I set off the afternoon free so I am going to go moosing around the airport inside and out and take a chance with everybody I know.

The weather is really bad!!!

           



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

Finally got to see the two Air Force aircrafts. The 747 and the 757 were parked next to each other on the apron in the midst of Star Alliance planes, Lufthansa, Swiss and Austrian. I have pictures. Will post them tomorrow - expecting much better pictures of Air Force One as my Lufthansa people got to go on the apron right by the two planes and got pictures.
Will post those when they get to me also. They are the closest pictures of Air Force One I have ever seen. They could even get themselves photographed with the blue and white 747 which I found incredible.

It was interesting to see how they dispatched the offficials on commercial flights. The Japanese Minister of Finace left Nice on Lufthansa via Frankfurt. A delegation of 50 Singaporeans were on that flight also. The Japanese Minister was actually checked and issued boarding passes on two flights - Munich and Frankfurt and he was announced at the gate to Frankfurt. This is interesting how they do these diversions in case something happens to one or another of the aircrafts they won't lose them all together the same as it happened in Poland.

I even have a picture of an official delegation member's badge with all the holograms and things and by the way there was an AWACS circling around the area during the wole time of the G-20 not talking about the helicopters that flew over the airport and the huge amount of security forces. I got chased out from two parking lots by the plods.

There were some nice aircrafts. I like the Air India 747-400. Hu Jin Tao from China also had a 747-400 so did the Koreans. Mrs Merrkel had a beautiful A340. President Serkozy did not land at NCE as expected. He flew a smaller jet and landed at Cannes-Mandelieu.

President Obama was due to leave at 6.15 PM. It was totally dark when they took off and again too far away to get a view. The only one I got to see taking up to the air was the petty Indonesian Garuda Airbus with the Prime MInsiter. They turned South and disappeared in the clouds.

Awful weather. Very wet and windy. The G-20 did not see any of the Riviera sunshine. All they got was rain.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Japanese Government 747-400 carrying the Japanese Prime Minister and delegates to the 2011 G-20 in Cannes

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/flyssc1/P1150327.jpg


German Air Force Luftwaffe Airbus A340 carrying Mrs Angela Merkel the German Prime Minister

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/flyssc1/P1150336-2.jpg


Air Force One carrying the President of the United States of America Barack Obama to the 2011 G-20 summit in Cannes. Number on the tail 28000.

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/flyssc1/P1150339-1.jpg



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User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7615 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Is that an RAF Bae146 on the right?.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 20):
Is that an RAF Bae146 on the right?.

Yes. My attention was focused on the bigger aircraft but that's what it was. I will have to post a picture with the aircraft in full. Will do it tomorrow.



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Does the airspace get shutdown for other heads of state when they arrive at airports as well?


Cha brro
User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Glad you were able to see the VC-25, MadameConcorde, even if the weather didn't cooperate for better photos. I'm photographed the two VC-25 eight or ten times, but it's still one of my favorite catches.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 22):
Does the airspace get shutdown for other heads of state when they arrive at airports as well?

We had a far larger crowd of VVIPs, Presidents, Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses, Sultans and Emirs for the wedding of Prince Albert of Monaco and Charlene Wittstock in July - minus the POTUS who was invited but sent an envoy as he was too busy to make the trip. Every penny for the wedding and guests travel arrangements was at the Prince of Monaco's expanse except security.

There was no air space shut down.

This is a picture where you can see more of the RAF Bae146. If this is the aircraft UK Prime Minister travelled with I must say it is quite modest in comparison with some of the other official aircrafts parked in the airport.

http://i633.photobucket.com/albums/uu56/flyssc1/P1150339.jpg

What is the 28000 number on Air Force One's tail? What is the significance of this number?
Why 28000?

    

Air Force One was probably the most sophisticated aircraft landing at Nice airport. It must be full of electronics and other secret equipment.

Why is there the 757 travelling along? Could it be a diversion and carrying the US President when in fact everybody thinks he might be on board the 747? Is the 757 equipped the same way as the 747?

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
25 par13del : If the figure posted earlier about 800 in the US delegation, it is there for additional capacity. The 747 with the President usually has some press o
26 moose135 : That is "most of" the serial number of the aircraft. It is a US Air Force aircraft, and all USAF aircraft have a serial number consisting of two digi
27 NoUFO : Chancellor. States (Laender) have Prime Ministers, not the federal government. And why in the world did Mrs. Merkel choose the big Airbus rather than
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