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Which Air Force Has The All-time Record?  
User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

I just wondered,
which air force has shot down the most planes in their all-time history?
I'd think either the US air force, the Russians or the Luftwaffe.

And another question, who would you name as the most famous fighter pilot?

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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

For me the most famous fighter pilot would be Manfred von Richtofen...the Red Baron...

Greg



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Adolf Nazis's Luftwaffe?  Confused Never me thinks.

NoUFO - thinking




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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Who is the German WWII pilot who got 360 plus kills ?


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Would that be Galland you refer to Pacific?

The most famous is almost certainly Von Richtofen as when one says those words people know what is meant.

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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

No not Galland, he stopped combat flying pretty early on, it's sopmeone else. I will find and post later.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

I belive it was Hartmann.

But there where a few eastern front pilots with three hundred plus kills.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Yes that's right, Eric (Baby) Hartmann shot down 352 enemy planes. Germany also had Gerhard Barkhorn with 301 kills.

352 is incredible considering he didn't even join the Luftwaffe until August 1942 and by the end of 1943 had 159 confirmed kills. On March 2nd and August 24th 1944 he shot down 10 planes on each day.

Mainly fought against Russians but also shot down 6 P-51s and 16 Spitfires. He surrendered to the Brits but was handed to the Russians and served 11 years in prison for war crimes.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Per aircraft in service the German Luftwaffe certainly holds the record (mainly poorly trained Soviet pilots in the early days of Barbarossa and US bombers of the heartland where they were pretty defenseless before P.51s and P.47s became available in numbers).

Overall it's probable the USAF or the RAF, but those are both larger and have been at it more often Big grin



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

It was interesting that Erich Hartman served eleven years for "war crimes". The only crime he was guilty of was using the Soviet Air Force for target practice.

What's interesting is the reason why the Luftwaffe had the highest scoring aces of the war. Unlike the RAF and USAAF the Luftwaffe did not rotate their pilots out of combat. They were there for the duration. Which meant a lot them racked up impressive scores. The downside was that a lot of them did not survive the war.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

For the U.S. Army, it was Dick Bong who scored 40 kills in the pacific theatre in his P-38. Greg "pappy" Boyngton was the leader for the USMC, I'm not sure who the Navy's leading ace was. Interestign note, though a leatecomer to the was (entering service in late 1943) the F6F hellcat scored over 5000 victories for the Navy and Marines.

T.J.



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (10 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3727 times:

What's all this about me?

 Smokin cool

j/k

Yeah the highest scoring ace in WWII was Hartman.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Spacepope:

The leading USN ace of the war was Commander David McCampbell with 36 kills. Nine of them were in one day. Hie weapon of choice was the Hellcat.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29699 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (10 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

It should be noted that those "war crime" charges where brought up the Soviets.

Chances are they where trumped up out of spite. Something they commonly did.

You should read some of the stories of Germans in POW camps in Russia during and after the war.




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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Overall, I think the biggest total has to go to the USAF.
They are involved in many more wars than other air forces  Big grin

If you're thinking of a limited period of time, or individual pilots or aircraft (or types) then I agree it would be the Luftwaffe.

Some of their stats are even more impressive if you broaden the definition from "dogfighting" to "aircraft A destroyed aircraft B". Huge numbers of PVO aircraft were destroyed on the ground in the first few hours of Barbarossa, having been neatly lined up on about 66 frontier airbases, without camouflage (the only significant dispersal and preparation was around Odessa), exactly where the Luftwaffe expected.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13046 posts, RR: 78
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Depends how far you want to go back, the USAF dates from 1946? Before it was part of the Army, then you have the Navy and Marines.
The RAF was formed in April 1918, before it was the Royal Flying Corps, then there was the Royal Naval Air Service, but they were under RAF control (and suffered neglect) between I think 1918-37.
The disadvantage the UK services have is that between Suez in 1956 and the Falklands, despite being 'busy' for virtually all of the time, they did no air to air until the 1982 war, and have not since.



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