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F-22 Won't Be Allowed To Perform At TBirds Shows?  
User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

The local airshow organizer in Daytona Beach, ERAU, said on Facebook today that since the USAF has cut most of its single ship demo teams (F-16 east/west, A-10 east/west and F-15E) that they will not let the F-22 demo at airshows headlined by the Thunderbirds. I Googled the hell out of that but can't find it anywhere to confirm. I mean it makes sense but it was cool last year having both the Raptor and the TBirds perform here at Daytona Beach.

I'm really going to miss the single ship demos. Hopefully they are back next year, but I have a feeling...


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User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Can someone confirm the single ship demo teams have been terminated and provide a source, please? I can't see the sense in terminating those teams as they're very good public relations tools and they spread the demonstration capability a lot further than the Thunderbirds can alone. If I were to take a guess, I'd presume it's to release more money for the F-35 program, but let's avoid turning this into an F-35 bashing session, please.


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User currently offlineulfinator From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Here is what you were looking for. Nothing about F-22 not performing at any T-Birds shows but F-22 is limited to 20 shows so that would say it wouldn't perform at every one of the T-Birds 33 locations.

http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-111201-048.pdf

User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2020 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 1):
Can someone confirm the single ship demo teams have been terminated and provide a source, please?

The ACC statement...
http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-111201-048.pdf

Quote:
Reducing the number of single-ship demonstration teams will allow us to
reallocate more than 900 sorties to our wings so they can maximize their flying hours for
combat readiness training, offsetting some of the reduction we’ve seen in flying hours.
Most importantly, reallocating those sorties will provide an increase in more than 25
combat-ready fighter pilots – that’s a very good thing for our Nation and wise
stewardship of our limited resources.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 1):
Can someone confirm the single ship demo teams have been terminated and provide a source, please?

Sorry I should've posted that, that part I did see verified countless times and in fact we had a thread on it here couple months back. The part I couldn't verify is the part about the USAF not sending to demo at any shows that the TBirds are performing at.

I too will miss the single ship demos, I go to airshows based on what's flying, and jets are at the top of my list.


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2020 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

I don't know if anything has been stated publicly that the F-22 demo and T-Birds won't perform together, but it fits with their mission to reach as many people as possible. It doesn't make sense for them to perform together - same as it's rare to see the T-Birds and Blues perform at the same show.


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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2073 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 5):
It doesn't make sense for them to perform together - same as it's rare to see the T-Birds and Blues perform at the same show.

True, but I've seen both of them happen  

Thunderbirds and Blue Angels - Patricks AFB mid 2000's

Thunderbirds and F-22 - Daytona Beach 2011

But I agree with what you're saying.


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