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Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April  
User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

Sorry if this was discussed before.

"The Space Shuttle Discovery will be delivered to the National Air & Space Museum’s Udvar-Hazy Center in April. It will be transported by NASA atop a modified Boeing 747 and is scheduled to land at Dulles on Tuesday, April 17 (date is weather dependent). The museum has a special webpage about “Welcome Discovery” events which are planned. We will update this post with more information about the Dulles arrival as it becomes available."

Space shuttle discovery is replacing the Enterprise at IAD's Udvar-Hazy center.

http://www.mwaa.com/dulles/dulles.htm


Greetings from Dulles!
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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15845 times:

Where is Enterprise going? Will the Modified, Former AA 747 continue to fly after the shuttles are moved to their final resting places?


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Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15651 times:

Enterprise is going to New York City for display at the Intrepid museum. Tentative schedule has it being flown up on Monday, April 23.


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User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14374 times:

So the question's are:

-What time will it be arriving in IAD

-What will Discovery be doing between April 17th when it arrives and when Discovery is deliver to the museum on the 19th?

-Will it just sit atop the NASA 747 until the 19th?


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Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14184 times:
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Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-What time will it be arriving in IAD

Operational reasons will dictate that. Weather is a key issue as the pathfinder aircraft 100 miles ahead will determine the route. Departures from KSC is also based on many operational reasons hence i would not hold my breath for a deaprture on the 17th.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-What will Discovery be doing between April 17th when it arrives and when Discovery is deliver to the museum on the 19th?

If it gets there on the 17th, the two days are built in to carry out the demate.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-Will it just sit atop the NASA 747 until the 19th?

until the cranes,take her down.

At KSC there is a special demate/mate structure. At IAD, they will be using two cranes to do the job hence there will have to be a lot of prep work.



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User currently offlinewagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13874 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 4):
Operational reasons will dictate that. Weather is a key issue as the pathfinder aircraft 100 miles ahead will determine the route. Departures from KSC is also based on many operational reasons hence i would not hold my breath for a deaprture on the 17th.

I understand weather is a big factor in the operation, but do you think the odds of it arriving on the 17th are really that low? The Smithsonian has been hyping the April 17 arrival date, and April 19 transfer date for a while on their website. I know its quite out of the Smithsonian's hands on when it arrives, but a delay would seem to be pretty bad publicity.

I'm planning on getting down to IAD for its arrival via the 747 come hell or high water. I was planning to book a hotel room very shortly for the night before so I can be there early to set up (I'm driving down from PHL). I'm wondering if I should wait now. Do you know if there's a proposed timetable on the 17th assuming good conditions and no unforeseen delays (ie: departure time from TTS)?



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13724 times:
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Quoting wagz (Reply 5):
I understand weather is a big factor in the operation, but do you think the odds of it arriving on the 17th are really that low? The Smithsonian has been hyping the April 17 arrival date, and April 19 transfer date for a while on their website. I know its quite out of the Smithsonian's hands on when it arrives, but a delay would seem to be pretty bad publicity.

Yes. I would give it the odds of a coin toss. I am merely stating the principal factors that standout at this point - i.e. 3 weeks out

Reason 1:

Weather is an unknown. Only can be sure after the morning weather brief. The orbiter CANNOT encounter rain.

Reason 2:

Mating the orbiter. There has been a drastic cut in the staffing available. In the old days (i.e. STS program days), there would be three shifts running and plenty of talent around. Post STS program, it is a skeleton crew. If there are any issues, there is no longer a 2nd shift or 3rd shift to keep the ball rolling. In a lot of the transition and retirement operations, items have been slipping for this reason. There is a reduction in resources etc.

The orbiters had a remarkable way of making sure they did stuff on their schedule hence anybody who has been around them will tell you the first rule is the qualifier "No earlier than..." The Smithsonian may just get the first taste of what is like to make a shuttle run on a schedule. It would have been better if that press release said, " Discovery will arrive at Dulles, no earlier than April 17th". That is what the press release would have said if NASA PAO wrote it.

In a good case scenario, the weather will be nominal and the mate will occur as planned. I hope so too as as I will be suffering through it as well at the mate/demate device. But I am not a gambling man, so i am not putting any money on it. I hope I am wrong though.

Quoting wagz (Reply 5):
Do you know if there's a proposed timetable on the 17th assuming good conditions and no unforeseen delays (ie: departure time from TTS)?

The best I can tell you at this point is that it will be an early morning (first light departure) from KSC. Upon arrival of NASA 905 on 04/09, i will have a better idea however this will be really known only the day before for reason given above.

The cruise speed of the SCA + Orbiter is about 250 knots at 15K; range is 1000 miles. There is the flight down the Mall planned, too. So one can extrapolate from there but if the SCA has to fly around any weather systems then this track will be longer.

[Edited 2012-03-28 11:22:19]


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User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1880 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13716 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 6):
There is the flight down the Mall planned, too.

Do I understand that correctly? A flight over of The Mall in DC?

If so then that is a nice PR move!


User currently offlinewagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 13545 times:
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Thanks for the information Suresh, it is appreciated. I had no idea the orbiter couldn't encounter any rain whatsoever. At this point I'll just plan for the 17th and hope for the best. At least if the weather forecast looks bad from a couple days out I may still be able to cancel my hotel room. One way or another I'm going to get down there (work be damned) even if it means leaving PHL at 5AM the day of to see it.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

I wonder if it is worth wile making a Transatlantic trip for the event. There will probably be a Zillion people at the IAD NASM and around.

Wonder what would be the best viewing point? The NASM tower can only accomodate so many and I am sure they will close it to the public or it would be an invasion up there.

I guess better have a scanner in hand if going to IAD to see the 747/Discovery combo landing.

They are not going to go around the airport for the pleasure of all in the passenger terminals are they?

 



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User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13331 times:

Suresh - A question:
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing? I am banking on that, also because that would give everyone in attendance the best view. Here's hoping for a 1R arrival....



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13182 times:
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Quoting captainstefan (Reply 10):
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing? I am banking on that, also because that would give everyone in attendance the best view. Here's hoping for a 1R arrival....

Taxiing is not an issue. The footprint is the same as a 747. I have seen the SCA land in the opposite direction of the demate device at KSC and then do a U turn (KSC runway is 300 feet across) to back track to the device. Wind direction will be decision. I can probably get a better idea when i talk to the crew once they get to KSC sometime after 04/09.



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User currently offlinejfidler From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12965 times:

I was at Udvar-Hazy earlier this week and talked to a staff member there about this. He said they are expecting the largest crowds they have ever had, and it will likely top the record-setting crowds they had on opening day. He also said that IAD-area hotels with rooms facing the runway/museum are sold out or almost sold out for that day.

I believe the parking lot holds around 2,000 cars and my guess is that will fill up quickly. I'm thinking my strategy may be to park at the normal IAD parking lots and then take a bus to Udvar-Hazy.


User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...n/2012/04/05/gIQAUauNxS_story.html

I thought it was strange that T-38's would be doing a "mapping" run, but reading the posts above I think it is awesome that they plan on flying it over the DC area (over the mall is tremendous).

What a great event, too bad it has to come due to the shuttles being retired.

Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

Edited for the rain question.

[Edited 2012-04-06 13:23:59]

User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12824 times:
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Quoting n92r03 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

Rain will erode the tiles. Why fly it thru rain if they don't have to?



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1317 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12820 times:
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Quoting n92r03 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

The real reason is that the thermal blankets will absorb water and the SCA will have a wet heavier orbiter than it took off with. It is approximated the change in weight will be considerable enough to effect the flight dynamics of the SCA/orbiter configuration.

 



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12798 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 15):
The real reason is that the thermal blankets will absorb water and the SCA will have a wet heavier orbiter than it took off with. It is approximated the change in weight will be considerable enough to effect the flight dynamics of the SCA/orbiter configuration.

Interesting, I've never heard that explanation. Seems odd then that the shuttle can sit out on the pad, in Florida humidity, in thunderstorms, and for months at a time, without ill effect. I'd think that after sitting thru a FL thundershower, blankets would be popping off in orbit as all that absorbed water turned to steam.

NASA explains it this way:

How come planes can fly in the rain but something as advanced as a shuttle can't?

I can understand why you would ask that question. The shuttle cannot fly in the rain because those tiny little water droplets of rain when they hit a tile and the shuttle is traveling at say 300, 400, Mach 2, at those kinds of speeds, it acts almost like a bullet hitting that tile. The tiles are very brittle and fragile on their outside, so they can't stand to hit raindrops going at high speeds. So I can understand why you'd be confused about this very high-tech thing that can't do something as simple as fly through the rain. But that's why we can't do it.


http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlig...sts/shuttle/sts111/shuttle_qa.html

Tiles rain tested on WP-3A showed damage:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/P-3/HTML/EC87-0035-001.html

[Edited 2012-04-06 16:08:02]


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Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12788 times:
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Quoting zanl188 (Reply 16):
NASA explains it this way:

The info you cite is referring to a flight orbiter. Discovery is no longer a flight orbiter. It is a museum artifact.

There are two rules that apply to SCA+ orbiter + rain. The rule you mention is no longer in operation. A heavy orbiter due to water absorption is the one that is now effecting the flight.



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User currently onlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12782 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 17):
There are two rules that apply to SCA+ orbiter + rain. The rule you mention is no longer in operation. A heavy orbiter due to water absorption is the one that is now effecting the flight.

So there would magically be no damage to the tiles simply because they are museum artifacts and not flight hardware?

Are they changing out all the "flight" tiles for "museum artifact" tiles? Why not do the same for the blankets?

Check out the test report on how the tiles play with rain in flight:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...asa.gov/19880011857_1988011857.pdf

[Edited 2012-04-06 17:08:08]


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Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12758 times:
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Quoting zanl188 (Reply 18):
So there would magically be no damage to the tiles simply because they are museum artifacts and not flight hardware?

Are they changing out all the "flight" tiles for "museum artifact" tiles? Why not do the same for the blankets?

Check out the test report on how the tiles play with rain in flight:

Immaterial as TPS tests that would not have been done if they were flight orbiters have already been done. Preservation of an immaculate TPS has not been a priority and they are not in the flight state anymore either.

The wet blankets would effect the center of gravity and weight of the load carried by the SCA hence the precautions. They are not trying to save the blankets but dealing with operational details.

For the safety of the SCA, flight crew and the completion of the mission, the limiting factor is the water collection. There has been enough grievous damage/museum preparation done to Discovery already hence damage to the TPS would be a minor issue.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/p...cation-of-space-shuttle-discovery/

A few missing/cracked tiles is not going to make or break the display and the general public would never know the difference once replica tiles are put in place.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12740 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Wonder what would be the best viewing point?

1R - Kmart parking lot in Chantilly.
19L - Exxon station on Old Ox Road just west of Highway 28.
Please note you can't see the actual landing, but it will be flying low over these points.

1C/19C, 1L/19R The roof of the west side parking garage. (I saw the very first A380 landing at IAD from there.)

If I get the day off I will drive up there for this event.


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Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12661 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 19):
Immaterial as TPS tests that would not have been done if they were flight orbiters have already been done. Preservation of an immaculate TPS has not been a priority and they are not in the flight state anymore either.

The wet blankets would effect the center of gravity and weight of the load carried by the SCA hence the precautions. They are not trying to save the blankets but dealing with operational details.

For the safety of the SCA, flight crew and the completion of the mission, the limiting factor is the water collection. There has been enough grievous damage/museum preparation done to Discovery already hence damage to the TPS would be a minor issue.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/p...cation-of-space-shuttle-discovery/

A few missing/cracked tiles is not going to make or break the display and the general public would never know the difference once replica tiles are put in place.

Nice article, great photos. by eksath BTW. Says nothing about flying the SCA/Orbiter combo thru rain. Nor does it explain how these blankets can sit on the pad for months on end, absorbing loads of water with no effect, yet rain must be avoided to avoid water absorption by the blankets during flight on the SCA.

The reason they avoid rain is to prevent erosion of the tiles...



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Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12405 times:
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Quoting zanl188 (Reply 21):
Nice article, great photos. by eksath BTW. Says nothing about flying the SCA/Orbiter combo thru rain. Nor does it explain how these blankets can sit on the pad for months on end, absorbing loads of water with no effect, yet rain must be avoided to avoid water absorption by the blankets during flight on the SCA.

Thanks. The reason i posted the article is to point out that the Discovery is now an artifact. Most people are unaware of the extent of the process.

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 21):
The reason they avoid rain is to prevent erosion of the tiles...

You seem as confident and dogmatic about this point as when you claimed the three OPF were going to be torn down until that was proven otherwise. Feel free to believe your point however i feel the same liberty to inform the public of the other reasons as well.  
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
They are not going to go around the airport for the pleasure of all in the passenger terminals are they?

I highly doubt that. They will probably do a flyby of the airport.ATC usually requests this. Though, it may not be done if that will mess up the pattern.

Quoting wagz (Reply 8):
At least if the weather forecast looks bad from a couple days out I may still be able to cancel my hotel room.

I will post info as soon as i am aware.

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 10):
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing?

I will talk to the flight crew about which runway they plan to land on. In the operational days, this kinda of info (including routing) was classified. I am not sure if it can be released even now. I will check. SCA arrival at KSC is tomorrow afternoon around 530pm EST (that is not classified)  



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User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

Thank you, eksath, for the information and updates. I am sure there are many of us following this post for your information  

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Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12234 times:

Won't be able to make the trip across the Atlantic this time. sigh....

I hope all of you who will be there will gratify us with lots of beautiful pictures and videos.

My beautiful friend Concorde F-BVFA will have a very famous Space Shuttle new neighbour.

        



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25 HaveBlue : You are correct michiganatc, yes thank you eksath for the updates. I plan on going to watch them leave the cape as i only live 30 min away. Ive watche
26 eksath : Update 1: I had a long discussion with the flight crew and here is a quick summary. 1. Wheels up from KSC at 0700H on 04/17 (assuming everything else
27 Eagleboy : Wonderful info, thanks very much for that. Glad to see NASA/Smithsonian taking the opportunity to make a BIG DEAL about this flight.
28 wagz : Thanks for the information Suresh. I'm not sure if you can get this information from the crew, but assuming IAD is on the 19s will the SCA still land
29 eksath : The flight engineer told me that in the scenario you mention, it will be based upon how this would mess up the pattern. i.e. if it can be done withou
30 wagz : I'm sure IAD Tower and Potomac Tracon have everything worked out. I'm an ATC up at PHL and we bend over backwards for special operations all the time
31 eksath : Quick post from my phone Weather hold at KSC.reevaluate at 1530H to see if work can go on through the night or start tomorrow.this is effecting ops.
32 Post contains links SSTeve : Updates here, too: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html
33 Post contains links eksath : Uploaded some upclose pictures of the SCA N905NA to my flickr account. They can be seen with the following link. http://www.flickr.com/photos/suresh_a
34 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Shuttle Discovery Leaves VAB For Final Time Ahead of Flight on 747 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mY_Sdmo7U&feature=player_embedded#!
35 HaveBlue : Excellent pictures Suresh, thanks for sharing! Nice to see some details that the public is not normally privy to.
36 WestWing : Decisions, decisions. I'm torn between going down to Gravelly Point to catch the DC Mall flyover or heading to the Udvar-Hazy parking lot to see it co
37 n92r03 : Eksath, Thank you so much for the updates, we all appreciate them, great pics as well. What is the best place to view the fly-by on departure. I'm in
38 gatorman96 : That is a tough one, but if you come to IAD, you are guaranteed to see the SCA. Any type of operational setback and they will scrap the flyover. I wo
39 D L X : If this thing happens, do you have any knowledge of where along The Mall the pair will fly? I work on The Mall near the Capitol, and I'd be surprised
40 Post contains images michiganatc : Well, there is no turning back for me now. Booked my flight, hotel and car rental for tomorrow. This thing better happen!!!
41 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The SCA flies much slower and lower than a conventional commercial flight does. http://twitpic.com/9a8jag#OV103 According to the NASA TV schedule cov
42 Charles79 : An article in the Washington Post (sorry, no link as it was in the printed edition) listed both the National Mall and Capitol as sites planned for th
43 HaveBlue : I'm going. In the past I've parked on State Hwy 402 Max Brewer Parkway (the east west road just north of the runway) and got some great shots. Tomorr
44 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : It's all here Posted at 06:40 AM ET, 04/16/2012 Shuttle Discovery coming Tuesday, send us your pics NASA says they hope to fly Discovery at about 1,5
45 BlueElephant : Will be going to Udvar Hazy to try and get some pictures. The parking lot opens at 8 and I expect there to be a LOT of traffic. Will be monitoring clo
46 Post contains links and images eksath : The pathfinder aircraft is N932NA a.k.a the Vomit Comet View Large View MediumPhoto © Suresh A. Atapattu She arrived this morning. You can track her
47 michiganatc : I was told that it is going to do a low pass on 1R at IAD and then circle to land 19L. But I see the wind is forcasted out of the NNW at 12kts, so I d
48 aislepathlight : Haven't been on the board in a long time, but love that I can get in the fantastic inside information here. I go to school in DC, so hopefully I can d
49 captainstefan : Would love to see that, gear up and clean winged. Fat chance at all that though, I'll take what I can get!
50 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Thank you for your vaulable input. For those who cannot make the trip to the Washington DC area you can follow the event live NASA HD TV online http:
51 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Tower, this is Discovery requesting a fly-by, Discovery, Tower, Roger, the pattern is wide open... G_dSpeed 905/Discovery! Have a safe flight to IAD!!
52 Sinlock : I will say that over the years that I've watched NASA-TV they have never lost the nack for cutting from a great camera angle to cruddy angle. The fly
53 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Any help with ATC stations for tracking the combo most appreciated. Call sign for the flight: PLUTO 95. Thanks now on KSAV http://www.liveatc.net/flis
54 jollo : A good time as any to thank you for the awsome pictures you posted here over the years: you made us proud and a little more familiar with that glorio
55 washingtonian : Does anybody know what frequency she will be on over DC?
56 Post contains images MadameConcorde : try 124.65 for the Potomac approach freq let us know if it works. thanks KIAD NOTAMS Update: 04/135 (A0801/12) - TWY W4 CLSD. 17 APR 14:00 2012 UNTIL
57 MadameConcorde : Larry Van Horn @MilcomMP NASA 905 with Discovery and NASA 923 are northbound to DC. Confirmed they are using 235.400 MHz (AM) for Air-Air comms.
58 Sinlock : NASA-TV now LIVE at Dullas
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : We are hearing they may be 30 minutes ahead of schedule. Ronsmytheiii We are picking them up on 235.40 on scanner at Dulles [Edited 2012-04-17 06:26:1
60 Charles79 : I'm watching the feed but I don't have sound (old computer at work)...what's the estimated time for her to do the flyby around the Nat Mall? Any upda
61 MadameConcorde : KIAD says airport shut down for Discovery
62 contrails15 : Where do you think they'll fly into for the Intrepid delivery?
63 Mainland : Inbound arrivals starting to circle to the west of IAD
64 MadameConcorde : Please open a different thread for this. We need to stay on topic. Today is Discovery's landing at IAD.
65 Post contains links Therock401 : NASA TV has PLUTO 95 heavy in sight and Washington Approach patched through on their sound feed. http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/discovery/index.htm
66 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Listen to the KIAD live aTC feed while you look at images on NASATV http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kiad3&icao=kiad TV feed interrupted l
67 Galaxy5007 : Does anyone know what NASA flight is actually going into IAD? Every one I pull up is going to Alabama or Texas...(on flightaware)
68 Post contains images MadameConcorde : They are not on Flightaware.
69 Post contains links MadameConcorde : City flyover li ve on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLi...live.html?stream=stream1&hpt=hp_c2
70 redzeppelin : Perhaps this is a silly question, but are any of the orbiter's control surfaces active during ferry flights?
71 MadameConcorde : Not this time. I understand that Discovery has been stripped out of a lot of cockpit equipment. The engines have been taken out also.
72 TPA36R : On final 01R. Pluto 98 (t-38) is fuel critical.
73 4holer : Sigh... WJLA, fire every one of your camera operators. I anxiously watched every bit, but seeing it in the air but no longer functional gives it an od
74 gatorman96 : That was something special. Two fly by's over DC and IAD 1R! The pilots had no interest in landing whatsoever. Will post some pics a little later from
75 JOshu : That was awesome. I completely forgot about it until I looked up in the sky and could not make sense of what was flying overhead. Then it dawned on me
76 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Truly a sad day. The End of an Era. From Space Shuttle work horse to lifeless prestigious object in a museum. Our beautiful Air France Concorde F-BVFA
77 BlueElephant : Just got back from Udvar Hazy, the place was completely full by about 9am. We got two flybys one straight over head and one straight down 1R, followed
78 Post contains links and images HaveBlue : Made it down the Visitors Center just as she was taking off to the south, after her run down the beach she came directly overhead as planned, circled
79 captainstefan : Absolutely unreal. There was a crowd of pedestrians after they closed the parking lot that gathered at the entrance/off-ramp from Hwy 28 probably a fe
80 D L X : In DC and Alexandria, people slammed on the brakes near National Airport and the 14th Street Bridge complex (freeways!!) to watch the Shuttle fly over
81 Post contains images BlueElephant : Of course my pictures aren't good enough to make it onto Anet, but I do have the raw images if someone would let to help me get them on here. Taken fr
82 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Great pictures all of you. Thank you for posting them. Bring in more! I am more modest as I could not make the trip. Must have taken over 100 screen s
83 Post contains images PC12Fan : Am I the only one that thinks the combination of the 747 and Space Shuttle actually looks like they were designed for each other? I mean, they look li
84 moose135 : I agree, PC12Fan, the combination looks good together. It's been so long I don't remember, but I imagine part of the design critera for the shuttle wa
85 HaveBlue : I agree they look great together but I think that is a very lucky coincidence. The SCA Combo does look much more aesthetically pleasing than the AN-2
86 Post contains links and images eksath : Glad my info helped! I got atleast one picture of the SCA/103 and the Visitor center. The pass was high but after the 360 to align with the runway, i
87 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Eksath you are always in the right place at the right time at KSC. I doubt any other Anetter could ever get as close to the orbiters as you did. Lucky
88 Post contains images mke717spotter : Wow I can't believe that I didn't find out until now that this was happening today. I wish I was there to see it, but given the fact that I'm currentl
89 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I think September but will have to double check tomorrow.
90 Post contains links and images wagz : Well, here's my addition from the day's fun at IAD. View Large View MediumPhoto © Joseph K Wagner Thanks to the screeners for the very fast response
91 Cadet985 : What is being done with 905NA when the shuttles are at their new homes? I know that 911NA is being used for parts for SOFIA. I'd love to see her parke
92 eksath : She will become the flight proficiency aircraft for the SOPFIA crew. This is because they dont want to risk the SOFIA aircraft with all her expensive
93 Post contains links and images eksath : I have not really had time to go through my pictures but here is a small sample: At engine start in the morning at KSC. The calm before the storm The
94 NoWorries : I was at work and missed it. My wife, who has -zero- interest in the space program, said that she saw it while walking the dog -- "It flew right over
95 ZANL188 : 911NA had really racked up the cycles while flying domestically with JAL, not surprised at all that she retired first. I haven't checked, however I b
96 Post contains links ZANL188 : Anybody that's a shuttle fanboy (and I count myself in this category) should check out Wayne Hales blog now that Discovery is in the hands of the Smit
97 eksath : It may be but it does not have that much use (in my opinion). I looked over her numbers the other day and it was low. Again, i am not an expert on co
98 Post contains images eksath : Well done! nice shot. i hear Pluto98 went fuel critical at the end Not surprised, she had a busy day....
99 ZANL188 : NASA bought her when she was still young and didn't fly her nearly as strenously as an airline would. I suspect her airline sisters would either be s
100 Post contains links eksath : She rotated right on target. This is exactly what i was told by the flight crew about 6 days before! This picture shows the rotation point marker. ht
101 SSTeve : I'm guessing 300 flights in 30 years, rather than the 20000 flights you'd see in airline service.[Edited 2012-04-18 17:45:54]
102 Post contains links and images Kiffy : Pluto 98 even had an extra tank. Pluto 99 didn’t and landed about half-an-hour before the other. Pluto 99 (N955NA) final for runway 1R: Pluto 98 (N
103 ZANL188 : That's a travel pod - used for baggage, extra gear, etc. No fuel.
104 Post contains images MadameConcorde : What a joyful ceremony at the IAD NASM today to welcome Shuttle Discovery to her new home! There was quite a flurry of Astronauts who all flew on boar
105 captainstefan : Pluto98 landed runway 1C. The local controller had offered 30 to begin with but as he turned over the off-ramp to the museum local cleared him to lan
106 Post contains links gatorman96 : Here are a few pics from the events this week. They are cell phone shots and the ones over DC are especially bad, but it was pretty cool to see the SC
107 gatorman96 : Seriously? I'm not doubting you, but why not just carry that in the SCA? Seems like the chase planes would want to be a light as possible...
108 Post contains images moose135 : Yes, that is a travel pod - the T-38 is not equipped to carry an external fuel tank. Usually, the pilots will carry their overnight bag and such in i
109 ZANL188 : Doing so would be an invitation for Murphy to strike! Can you imagine if the T-38 had to divert to an airport that could not accept the SCA? Poor T-3
110 Post contains links Kiffy : It makes scene, so N955NA wasn't carrying one because she arrived from Robins AFB as NASA967 the night before...
111 Gatorman96 : ZANL188 and Moose135, great points. Thanks!
112 Post contains images eksath : Nice pics.thanks for posting by the way, neither of these two aircraft scrambled from KSC. So the original photo chase T-38 got swapped in flight. or
113 captainstefan : A T-38 took off at about 9am as the crowds were gathering and disappeared to the south, so make of that what you will. I believe there were two T-38
114 Post contains links and images eksath : lol... good point. I will talk to the guys at JSC to see if they can fill me in. On a side note, i shot some phone footage out there on the ramp at a
115 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I was at Washington Dulles on Friday - I flew on the first Boeing747-8i Frankfurt-IAD-Frankfurt turnaround inaugural commercial inaugural flights with
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