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Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden  
User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 28857 times:
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A Norwegian C-130 routed from Evenas to Kiruna is missing. Radar contact was lost around 3pm local time.
Search efforts has produced no result yet, and the weather situation is bad with snow drift and winds.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...s/Militart-fly-savnet-6785661.html

The search and rescue team consists of aircraft from Sweden, Norway and the US. The aircraft was part of the "Cold Response" drill in northern Scandinavia. Aftenposten states that the aircraft was new...


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28833 times:

Here's an article in english. 5 crew were on board.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28786 times:

Fingers crossed. I've been up there: tough country.   


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28726 times:
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Swedish and Norwegian media now reports that an emergency signal has been picked up by rescue helicopters


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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28631 times:

This is really bad news!! my    that the crew is ok! If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28615 times:
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Swedish Search And Rescue department reports that Norwegian F16's has picked up heat spots in the area, but it's too early to say if it's hikers, reindeer/wildlife or the crew.

Only in Swedish, sorry
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/om-o...na/?rescuetype=1&status=1&period=2



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28532 times:

VG is now saying that the 5 missing men have died in the accident.

Very sad, not something you want to happen in a training operation.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28499 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):

Strange, the aircraft has not been found and the Norwegian Minister of defense says the crew is dead?



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28503 times:

Norwegian defence minister confirmed that 5 crewmember are dead!   RIP!


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28503 times:

I'm in Kiruna right now, I have heard planes in the sky throughout the day. Very sad to hear this.

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 4):
If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!

I believe their first delivery of the type to the Norwegian Air Force was in 2008, so indeed a very new aircraft.


User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28486 times:
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And now the Ministry of defense reported they were wrong, the plane has NOT been found.
Geez, I can understand it's chaos right now, but to call out that the crew has perished without actually knowing it is unbelievable...



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28470 times:

The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished. The aircraft apparently has not been located. There will be a pressconferance 21:00 Norwegian time.

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28434 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished

????? what the heck is going on??



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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28421 times:

Okay, this is very confusing.
But as johnkrist said, I can understand if there's chaos in a situation like this one.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28339 times:

Terrible news. Really hoping everyone is found alive soon.

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 28312 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished.

When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 28259 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.

Norway's ministry of defence now confirmed in a press conference that the C-130J has crashed......but the plane hasn't been found yet.

[Edited 2012-03-15 13:42:09]


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 28184 times:
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Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 16):
C-130J has crashed

Crashed, or made an emergency landing.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
They really shouldn't announce anything

Probably was a prepared "scenario" statement that leaked, someone pushed send instead of save

The search equipment right now is (source Swedish Search And Rescue department):
2 Danish Merlins
2 Norwegian Sea Kings
1 US Hercules
1 US AWACS plane
1 Norwegian Orion

On the ground Swedish mountain rescue and miltary personnel is taking part in the search

The emergency signal caught earlier has not lead to anything  



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 28161 times:

latest info:

Quote:
2012-03-15 21:20
Stabsgenomgång på JRCC
2 Norska Seaking och 2 Danska Merlin Helikoptrar står nu i Kiruna och tankar.
i Luften är nu:
-Amerikansk Hercules
-Norsk Orion-Amerikans AWACS


På marken söker fjällräddningsgrupper och flera grupper med militär personal.
Alla vittnesuppgifter verifieras och helikoptrarna skall ut söka på troliga platser.
Tidigare uppgifter om nödsändare har inte gett något.

http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...s-mellan-Evenes-Narvik-och-Kiruna/

short summary in english:
2 Danish Sea Kings and 2 Norwegian Merlins are at Kiruna for refueling.
Currently airborne aircraft:
American Hercules and Norwegian Orion and American Awacs.

On the ground several mountain rescue groups are searching on probable locations.
Earlier info about emergency transmitter has not resulted in anything.

JRCC are the Swedish Joint Rescue and Coordination Center (Sweden Rescue)
that is responsible for leading the SAR operation.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27808 times:

Still haven't found anything. Weather is just getting worse, and it looks like the helicopters will have to halt their search. I'm really astounded at how long this is taking.

Hoping for the best. A crash landing with no serious injuries, and the personell are just waiting for rescue services.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 27708 times:

Depends on how remote/rough the terrain is, if I remember correctly when we lost the F-22 in Alaska it took some time to locate it also due to all the snow and terrain.

Hopefully the crew survived and are safe from the storm for the time being, one would hope their emergency beacon would be working.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27637 times:

some info about the weather in the area can be found here (click bildspel for images):

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Aktu...Tungt-drag-i-subarktiskt-busvader/



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User currently offlineGyreaux130J From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 27594 times:

   Here's hoping for the best.


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User currently offlinemoriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 27588 times:

Helicopters have resumed the search efforts SVD says.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/so...ter-planet-i-gang-igen_6928289.svd (swedish only)

Really hoping they're all ok...



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 27377 times:

There are now reports that all helicopters are grounded again due to the bad weather. Very bad news since searching by foot in this type of terrain is very slow, even if the current area of interest is "only" 3 by 5 kilometers. Hope the weather improves soon.

25 SASDC8 : It it certain that the C-130J is down and if what the media report is correct, it was flying at around 2300 meters altitude is a mountain range were t
26 bjorn14 : With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.
27 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : webcam from Kebnekaise: http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/kebnekaise/index.php and a map of the ground personnel search area: http://www.sjofartsv
28 KC135TopBoom : Is it snowing in the area of the crash? Are there any glacias nearby they could have crash landed on? If the crew survived the crash, and the airplane
29 johnkrist : The Norwegian Orion has observed something orange on the ground in the north east corner of the search area. Would be somewhere around "Nordtoppen" (T
30 ThunderboltDrgn : Yeah very poor weather in the area that prevents the helicopters from entering the search area. Regarding glaciers yes there are a couple of them in
31 johnkrist : It's not snowing right now, however the winds with snow drift and low ceiling in the area makes visibility poor.
32 johnkrist : There has been some gaps in the cloud layer and 2 Danish Merlins are heading for the area to investigate the orange objects observed earlier. All info
33 SASDC8 : Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure
34 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : yes apparently Swedish groundforces claims that the metalparts smells like jet fuel. http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8037994
35 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen). These have been photographed and t
36 AirlineCritic : Maybe... with an error in altitude, or if they planned to descend to lower than highest mountaintops, a navigation error. But I do not think CFIT is
37 johnkrist : It's Jet-A1, Norwegians call it paraffine, Swedes fotogen or rather flygfotogen (Aviation kerosene)
38 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegian specialforces from the Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejeger ) and Forsvarets Spesialkommando (FSK, en. Arm
39 EY460 : Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find s
40 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : There is some info in English at this address; http://www.thelocal.se/39718/20120316/
41 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : The wreckage or at least parts of ithave now been found. Search teams have found wreckage debris that are spread out over a large area on Rabots glaci
42 Mortyman : There are now warnings about high avalanche danger in the area ...
43 johnkrist : A special thanks to JRCC for the updates over the days that has passed since the crash. Still hoping for survivors, but considering how scattered the
44 SASDC8 : The wreckage is described to be in many thousand parts and spread over a large area. It seems they went down hard and fast. It was found at about 1500
45 Post contains links Mortyman : The wreckage was found by Norwegian soldiers on top of Swedens highest mountain. Pictures and video here: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.
46 Post contains links johnkrist : First image from the crash site and aircraft parts has been released by the Norwegian military. It's easy to see why it was hard to find the plane, yo
47 connies4ever : Wow. If I am looking at these images correctly, I am thinking the pilot flying drove the a/c right into the side of the mountain/glacier. And it shatt
48 Post contains links kaitak : Here's a report on the accident from Norway's Aftenposten; among those killed was the CO of the RNoAF's 335 Squadron: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyhete
49 Mortyman : From pressbriefing in Sweden 19:00: Only bodyparts has been found and basically only small parts of the plane left. It is assumed that the aircraft ha
50 EY460 : I have a lot of respect for the Armed Forces for what they are doing. Condolences for the families, friends and colleagues of those involved in the ac
51 KC135TopBoom : It may have them. Most large military aircraft now are built with them, but I think it is an option. So it all depends on if Norway ordered these C-1
52 CXfirst : Well, one of the newspapers reported that they were now looking for the data and voice recorder, so I'm assuming they have them installed, and hopefu
53 bjorn14 : Yes. Although they have not been found yet. A Norwegian RAF spokesman said the plane hit 100m below the summit which could possibly suggest a sudden
54 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Official information is available at Norrbotten's Police district website: http://www.polisen.se/Norrbotten/sv/Aktuellt/Handelser/ with topics marked
55 TGIF : I heard somewhere that they think they have found the area where most parts of the tail structure is located. Hopefully the data recorders can be loca
56 KC135TopBoom : Have they found anything of the crew, or remains of the crew yet?
57 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : yes they have (see reply #49). As TGIF says, the Police and the personnel from Swedish Accident Investigation Board, have found parts from the tail s
58 EY460 : Hi guys, any update on the accident?
59 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : No not much news, work at the site is suspended until midday on Monday This is due to bad weather at the area around mount Kebnekaise. The Norwegian
60 canoecarrier : I apologize in advance for not knowing the area. From the photos it seems they're basing operations out of the Kebnekaise mountain lodge? One of the
61 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : About how remote it is see for yourself: The road ends at Nikkaluokta which is a 64km drive from Kiruna. see map. At Nikkaluokta snowmobiles and Bv 2
62 canoecarrier : Thanks for the information. I'd say that it could have been a worse location. Still on a snowmobile or sno-cat it would take some time (3-4 hours) to
63 TGIF : Thanks for the update! It's amazing how fast news can disappear from TV, Radio and News Papers once other news are more "interesting". I almost forgo
64 Post contains images EY460 :
65 Post contains links Mortyman : Parts of the wreckage is located in such a difficult spot, that one might have to wait until spring to atempt to get it out. This includes the tailsec
66 Post contains images SAS A340 : Amazing story....thanks!!
67 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : I found this article at another forum. The article says that neither of the Seismologic sensors that are present in the area, registered any Seismolog
68 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : A little update, the tail fin and other parts the rearer end of the aircraft have been located and brought to the hangar in Kiruna where all parts of
69 TGIF : Thanks for the update!
70 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : All victims have now been identified and their remains will be brought to Norway. Further searching for debris will continue until the upcoming weeken
71 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : Today the press was invited to the hangar in Kiruna where the recovered parts from the plane wreck is stored, A few pictures and videos: http://www.nr
72 TGIF : "10 tonnes of wreckage found" That's less than 30%... How much snow will actually melt away during the summer? Let's hope the greenhouse effect will k
73 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : according to http://www.svenskaturistforeningen.s...tugan/Fragor-och-Svar-FAQ/#sommar6 there usually is some snow at the summits during the summer.
74 breiz : Some media have aired a potential explanation to the flying level way below the intended one as being the effect of a field of wave clouds. Such cloud
75 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : a short Norwegian documentary (with Swedish subtitles) at Svt play: http://svtplay.se/v/2783911/dokumentarfilm/flygtragedin_pa_kebnekaise Have in mind
76 Post contains links JONukl : A preliminary factual report has been issued www.havkom.se However, so far only in svedish.
77 breiz : In short, the preliminary report indicates that Kiruna Tower instructed the incoming Hercules to descend to level 7.0. The Hercules copied and execut
78 Post contains links Mortyman : Swedish soldiers have found one of the two black boxes of the Norwegian Hercules that crashed on Kebnekaise Mountain in march. The box was found about
79 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : According to Swedish media, The findings are a result of the snow melting allowing the area to be photographed from a helicopter. They noticed that mo
80 Mortyman : It was the voice recorder that the Swedish soldiers found this weekend. Norwegian soldiers have now entered the search area once again to look for the
81 Post contains links Mortyman : Both black boxes has now been found. The data rorder was found on Sunday: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...Hercules-flyet-funnet-6963823.html ht
82 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : And the English laboratory have been successful in extracting data from the blackboxes. http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8345341 Can som
83 Post contains links thunderboltdrgn : The investigation report is still delayed, initially it was supposed to be released in February this year but the release has been postponed several t
84 awacsooner : Speaking as a Nav...most C-130's these days no longer have Navs.
85 garynor : The TV documentary had some interesting facts: - ATC issued a descent at 50 nm from the airport instead of the usual 30 nm, effectively clearing it to
86 flyingturtle : Terrain warning (TAWS / EGPWS) works with a terrain database. And where do we get a database of all elevations? We need to send up a satellite to map
87 Post contains links zanl188 : I was thinking along the same lines... I did a little checking and found, with Garmin anyway, the more current databases have coverage from 90N to 90
88 garynor : Thanks for the replies. I would have thought a terrain database would be more complete by this day and age, there's a lot of stuff going on north of 6
89 boacvc10 : Well, LIDAR is a perfectly acceptable alternative to aerial mapping from a LEO satellite ! Is there an LIDAR mapping efforts north of 60 degrees lat?
90 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : For my understanding this is what happened: The tower gave them clearance to descend since there were no other traffic in the area, however that stil
91 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : The full accident investigation report will be released today. It will be released at a press conference at ARN at 10.00 Swedish time (08.00 UTC) this
92 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Full report is only available in Swedish or Norwegian: Swedish version: http://www.havkom.se/virtupload/reports/RM%202013_02.pdf Norwegian version: ht
93 breiz : I would add that while circling over Norway, waiting for their load of soldiers to be ready for the pick-up, the crew switched the ground collision w
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