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Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden  
User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 28294 times:
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A Norwegian C-130 routed from Evenas to Kiruna is missing. Radar contact was lost around 3pm local time.
Search efforts has produced no result yet, and the weather situation is bad with snow drift and winds.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...s/Militart-fly-savnet-6785661.html

The search and rescue team consists of aircraft from Sweden, Norway and the US. The aircraft was part of the "Cold Response" drill in northern Scandinavia. Aftenposten states that the aircraft was new...


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 28270 times:

Here's an article in english. 5 crew were on board.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 28223 times:

Fingers crossed. I've been up there: tough country.   


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 28163 times:
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Swedish and Norwegian media now reports that an emergency signal has been picked up by rescue helicopters


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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 28068 times:

This is really bad news!! my    that the crew is ok! If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 28052 times:
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Swedish Search And Rescue department reports that Norwegian F16's has picked up heat spots in the area, but it's too early to say if it's hikers, reindeer/wildlife or the crew.

Only in Swedish, sorry
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/om-o...na/?rescuetype=1&status=1&period=2



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 27969 times:

VG is now saying that the 5 missing men have died in the accident.

Very sad, not something you want to happen in a training operation.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27936 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):

Strange, the aircraft has not been found and the Norwegian Minister of defense says the crew is dead?



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27940 times:

Norwegian defence minister confirmed that 5 crewmember are dead!   RIP!


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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27940 times:

I'm in Kiruna right now, I have heard planes in the sky throughout the day. Very sad to hear this.

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 4):
If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!

I believe their first delivery of the type to the Norwegian Air Force was in 2008, so indeed a very new aircraft.


User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27923 times:
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And now the Ministry of defense reported they were wrong, the plane has NOT been found.
Geez, I can understand it's chaos right now, but to call out that the crew has perished without actually knowing it is unbelievable...



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27907 times:

The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished. The aircraft apparently has not been located. There will be a pressconferance 21:00 Norwegian time.

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27871 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished

????? what the heck is going on??



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User currently offlinedeltamartin From Sweden, joined Dec 2010, 1061 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27858 times:

Okay, this is very confusing.
But as johnkrist said, I can understand if there's chaos in a situation like this one.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27776 times:

Terrible news. Really hoping everyone is found alive soon.

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 27749 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished.

When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 27696 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.

Norway's ministry of defence now confirmed in a press conference that the C-130J has crashed......but the plane hasn't been found yet.

[Edited 2012-03-15 13:42:09]


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 27621 times:
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Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 16):
C-130J has crashed

Crashed, or made an emergency landing.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
They really shouldn't announce anything

Probably was a prepared "scenario" statement that leaked, someone pushed send instead of save

The search equipment right now is (source Swedish Search And Rescue department):
2 Danish Merlins
2 Norwegian Sea Kings
1 US Hercules
1 US AWACS plane
1 Norwegian Orion

On the ground Swedish mountain rescue and miltary personnel is taking part in the search

The emergency signal caught earlier has not lead to anything  



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 27598 times:

latest info:

Quote:
2012-03-15 21:20
Stabsgenomgång på JRCC
2 Norska Seaking och 2 Danska Merlin Helikoptrar står nu i Kiruna och tankar.
i Luften är nu:
-Amerikansk Hercules
-Norsk Orion-Amerikans AWACS


På marken söker fjällräddningsgrupper och flera grupper med militär personal.
Alla vittnesuppgifter verifieras och helikoptrarna skall ut söka på troliga platser.
Tidigare uppgifter om nödsändare har inte gett något.

http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...s-mellan-Evenes-Narvik-och-Kiruna/

short summary in english:
2 Danish Sea Kings and 2 Norwegian Merlins are at Kiruna for refueling.
Currently airborne aircraft:
American Hercules and Norwegian Orion and American Awacs.

On the ground several mountain rescue groups are searching on probable locations.
Earlier info about emergency transmitter has not resulted in anything.

JRCC are the Swedish Joint Rescue and Coordination Center (Sweden Rescue)
that is responsible for leading the SAR operation.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 27245 times:

Still haven't found anything. Weather is just getting worse, and it looks like the helicopters will have to halt their search. I'm really astounded at how long this is taking.

Hoping for the best. A crash landing with no serious injuries, and the personell are just waiting for rescue services.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineBladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 27145 times:

Depends on how remote/rough the terrain is, if I remember correctly when we lost the F-22 in Alaska it took some time to locate it also due to all the snow and terrain.

Hopefully the crew survived and are safe from the storm for the time being, one would hope their emergency beacon would be working.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 27074 times:

some info about the weather in the area can be found here (click bildspel for images):

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Aktu...Tungt-drag-i-subarktiskt-busvader/



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User currently offlineGyreaux130J From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27031 times:

   Here's hoping for the best.


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User currently offlinemoriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27025 times:

Helicopters have resumed the search efforts SVD says.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/so...ter-planet-i-gang-igen_6928289.svd (swedish only)

Really hoping they're all ok...



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26814 times:

There are now reports that all helicopters are grounded again due to the bad weather. Very bad news since searching by foot in this type of terrain is very slow, even if the current area of interest is "only" 3 by 5 kilometers. Hope the weather improves soon.

User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 27127 times:
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It it certain that the C-130J is down and if what the media report is correct, it was flying at around 2300 meters altitude is a mountain range were the highest peak is around 2100 meter. That and the fact that there were no mayday call, leads me to assume that they crashed in to a mountain.

A Norwegian Orion and two Norwegian F16s are searching in the area, when the helicopters are grounded due to bad weather.

Hopefully the crew are alive in the wreckage.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 26944 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 25):
That and the fact that there were no mayday call, leads me to assume that they crashed in to a mountain.

With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 27594 times:

webcam from Kebnekaise: http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/kebnekaise/index.php

and a map of the ground personnel search area: http://www.sjofartsverket.se/pages/0/C130b.png

[Edited 2012-03-16 06:34:47]


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User currently onlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27393 times:

Is it snowing in the area of the crash? Are there any glacias nearby they could have crash landed on? If the crew survived the crash, and the airplane is relitively intact, they would have access to their survival equipment which should keep them alive for a few days. Hopefully rescue won't take that long.

User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27397 times:
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The Norwegian Orion has observed something orange on the ground in the north east corner of the search area. Would be somewhere around "Nordtoppen" (The North Peak) in the map that ThunderboltDrgn posted. Helicopters are on the way as it's hard for the Orion crew to make out what it is.


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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27368 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):

Yeah very poor weather in the area that prevents the helicopters from entering the search area.

Regarding glaciers yes there are a couple of them in the area. check the map link in my previous post.

There is Rabots glasiär between Kebnekaise and Drakryggen and then you have Isfallsglasiären,
Storglasiären on the east side of Kebnekaise and Björlingglasiären just south of Kebnekaise's southern summit..

Also weather forecasts says heavy winds (currently 38 knots, decreasing to 19 knots) and heavy snowing.
Tomorrow weather is supposed to improve with only light winds and light snowing.

[Edited 2012-03-16 08:16:45]


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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 27373 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):

It's not snowing right now, however the winds with snow drift and low ceiling in the area makes visibility poor.



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User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 27207 times:
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There has been some gaps in the cloud layer and 2 Danish Merlins are heading for the area to investigate the orange objects observed earlier.

All info from me is translated from the Swedish search and rescue website.



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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 27105 times:
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Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure does not sound good considering the chances for survival.

Me thoughts are with the families of the 5 crewmembers.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 26987 times:

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 33):
Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure does not sound good considering the chances for survival.

Me thoughts are with the families of the 5 crewmembers.

yes apparently Swedish groundforces claims that the metalparts smells like jet fuel.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8037994



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26907 times:

Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen).
These have been photographed and the images have been sent to the Norwegian military for analysis.


2012-03-16 20:01:
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...na/?RescueType=1&Status=1&Period=2



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User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 26737 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 26):
With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.

Maybe... with an error in altitude, or if they planned to descend to lower than highest mountaintops, a navigation error.

But I do not think CFIT is the only possibility. Several other possibilities come to mind:

Strong winds guided by the mountain forms could cause temporary loss of control, or even structural breakage.

Icing in the bad weather.

Any pilot error or malfunction above just 200 meter separation to the highest mountain tops... no time for mayday, no time to make a correction or emergency landing.

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 35):
Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen).

Where is that used? Or is it the same as fuel?


User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 26661 times:
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Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 36):
Where is that used? Or is it the same as fuel?

It's Jet-A1, Norwegians call it paraffine, Swedes fotogen or rather flygfotogen (Aviation kerosene)



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26375 times:

Norwegian specialforces from the Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejeger ) and Forsvarets Spesialkommando (FSK, en. Armed Forces' Special Command) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsvarets_Spesialkommando_(FSK) ) is now participating in the search. Swedish specialforces aswell.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/03/16/n...svaret/flystyrt/hercules/20721032/


User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26268 times:

Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find something in English.

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 26195 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 39):
Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find something in English.


There is some info in English at this address; http://www.thelocal.se/39718/20120316/



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26172 times:

The wreckage or at least parts of ithave now been found.
Search teams have found wreckage debris that are spread out over a large area on
Rabots glacier which is on the westernaside of Kebnekaise's northern and southern summit.

http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...na/?RescueType=1&Status=1&Period=2
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/pages/0/C130c.png

Swedish JRCC now officially hands the matter over to the Police who will lead the work from now on.

[Edited 2012-03-17 01:48:27]

[Edited 2012-03-17 01:51:07]


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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26075 times:

There are now warnings about high avalanche danger in the area ...

User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 26061 times:
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Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 41):
Swedish JRCC now officially hands the matter over to the Police who will lead the work from now on.

A special thanks to JRCC for the updates over the days that has passed since the crash. Still hoping for survivors, but considering how scattered the wreckage is there might not be. But, we all remember Alive so everything is possible...



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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 26099 times:
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The wreckage is described to be in many thousand parts and spread over a large area. It seems they went down hard and fast. It was found at about 1500 meters altitude.


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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 26072 times:

The wreckage was found by Norwegian soldiers on top of Swedens highest mountain.

Pictures and video here:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10079288


Looking at the picture, that is on hell of an area to crash. Search and rescue personell won't get an easy task ...

[Edited 2012-03-17 03:38:18]

User currently offlinejohnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25950 times:
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First image from the crash site and aircraft parts has been released by the Norwegian military. It's easy to see why it was hard to find the plane, you can barely see the debris from ground level...
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article14538746.ab

This image is taken approx 100m from impact site and parts are located on both sides of that ridge.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 47, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25697 times:

Wow. If I am looking at these images correctly, I am thinking the pilot flying drove the a/c right into the side of the mountain/glacier. And it shattered on impact. Even a small amount of snow would cover most of the wreckage.

RIP to all souls on board.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 48, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25590 times:

Here's a report on the accident from Norway's Aftenposten; among those killed was the CO of the RNoAF's 335 Squadron:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Disse-er-savnet-6786877.html

A very sad loss; sincere condolences to the families and colleagues of all involved.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25387 times:

From pressbriefing in Sweden 19:00:

Only bodyparts has been found and basically only small parts of the plane left. It is assumed that the aircraft has exploded on impact.

Remains will be tested with DNA


The pilots Flightplan has been found



Does these types of aircraft have a sound and datarecorder installed ?

[Edited 2012-03-17 11:11:49]

User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25305 times:

I have a lot of respect for the Armed Forces for what they are doing. Condolences for the families, friends and colleagues of those involved in the accident. Again airlines.net has been a great resource of information and news. Unfortunately there wasn't the miracle we were all hoping for.

User currently onlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 51, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25020 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 49):
Does these types of aircraft have a sound and datarecorder installed ?

It may have them. Most large military aircraft now are built with them, but I think it is an option. So it all depends on if Norway ordered these C-130Js with DFDR and DVDR.

My condolences to the families and friends of the crew, as well as to the RNoAF 335 Squadron.

RIP, my brothers ans sister.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24952 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 49):
Does these types of aircraft have a sound and datarecorder installed ?

Well, one of the newspapers reported that they were now looking for the data and voice recorder, so I'm assuming they have them installed, and hopefully it will give us some answers.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 24585 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 49):
Does these types of aircraft have a sound and datarecorder installed ?

Yes. Although they have not been found yet. A Norwegian RAF spokesman said the plane hit 100m below the summit which could possibly suggest a sudden mountain downdraft. May all RIP.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 24496 times:

Official information is available at Norrbotten's Police district website:

http://www.polisen.se/Norrbotten/sv/Aktuellt/Handelser/ with topics marked with Fjällräddning Kiruna

Each notice will get a new topic.



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24184 times:

I heard somewhere that they think they have found the area where most parts of the tail structure is located. Hopefully the data recorders can be located in these surroundings. When the airplain impacted on the mountain side it created an avalanche so some parts may be burried as much as 6m (20ft) deep in the snow. I guess we may have to wait some time before they'll fínd the recorders.

User currently onlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 56, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 23960 times:

Have they found anything of the crew, or remains of the crew yet?

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 23956 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 56):
Have they found anything of the crew, or remains of the crew yet?

yes they have (see reply #49).

As TGIF says, the Police and the personnel from Swedish Accident Investigation Board, have found parts from the tail section of the aircraft. This is written here:
http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/nya...hoppet-om-att-finna-svarta-ladorna

From 12.00 (midday) today a ban from visiting the area was put into to place.
This is to make sure the personnel in the area can work undisturbed, but it is also
because the danger of new avalanches and because of claimed unhealthy material
in the debris from the plane wreck. The ban will stay in place until April 15th,

http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleID=6796796
http://www.lansstyrelsen.se/norrbott.../2012/Pages/forbud-att-vistas.aspx



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User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 23315 times:

Hi guys, any update on the accident?

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23222 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 58):
Hi guys, any update on the accident?

No not much news, work at the site is suspended until midday on Monday
This is due to bad weather at the area around mount Kebnekaise.

The Norwegian armed forces released a radar image from the
last 30 min of the planes flight:
http://forsvaret.no/sites/artikkelbi...de%20fra%20CRC%20S%C3%B8rreisa.jpg

A person at another forum made this image. Its based on the two last
radar contacts with the plane and the elevation profile during their flight.
It shows that according to the radar, the plane was
only 250m above the place of impact when it was 3km from where it impacted.
http://postimage.org/image/jibiepd17/full/ (this is the creators own upload link).

a few images:
http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8042926
http://nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8044331
http://www.polisen.se/Norrbotten/sv/...ete-pa-haveriplatsen-i-Kebnekaise/

Mount Kebnekaise during summer time:
http://www.fjellfotografen.se/Kebnek...ch+Rabots+glaci%C3%A4r/@toj-bh1705



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23111 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 59):
No not much news, work at the site is suspended until midday on Monday

I apologize in advance for not knowing the area. From the photos it seems they're basing operations out of the Kebnekaise mountain lodge? One of the photos showed they're using a sno-cat so they could get to the accident site. So, it's remote, but not incredibly remote?

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 59):

Mount Kebnekaise during summer time:

It seems it never gets snow free up there. If there was indeed an avalanche after the crash that covered most of the wreckage they may never find most of the human remains. There's an accident site on Mt. Rainier here in WA that's been locked in snow and ice for decades.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 22996 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 60):
I apologize in advance for not knowing the area. From the photos it seems they're basing operations out of the Kebnekaise mountain lodge? One of the photos showed they're using a sno-cat so they could get to the accident site. So, it's remote, but not incredibly remote?


It seems it never gets snow free up there. If there was indeed an avalanche after the crash that covered most of the wreckage they may never find most of the human remains. There's an accident site on Mt. Rainier here in WA that's been locked in snow and ice for decades.


About how remote it is see for yourself:

The road ends at Nikkaluokta which is a 64km drive from Kiruna. see map.
At Nikkaluokta snowmobiles and Bv 206es have to be unloaded. From Nikkaluokta its about 16km journey with the snowmobile/bv 206 to the mountain lodge. see map.
From the mountain lodge it is an additional 8km to the summit/crash site.

Google earth 3d model of the area around the summit: http://g.co/maps/7gszc
The Double summit of Kebnekaise is at the northern end
of Tarfalavagge (Tarfala valley) just north of the lake.

About the human remains. I don't know
in 1942 a British bomber, type HP.52 Hampden, crashed in the Swedish mountains.
it took 34 years before it was found again.

Nowdays the police have access to GPR, avalanche search dogs and Human Remains Detection dogs.
But i guess that far from everything will be found.

[Edited 2012-03-23 07:08:06]

[Edited 2012-03-23 07:10:43]

[Edited 2012-03-23 07:11:04]


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 62, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22924 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 61):
About how remote it is see for yourself:

The road ends at Nikkaluokta which is a 64km drive from Kiruna. see map.
At Nikkaluokta snowmobiles and Bv 206es have to be unloaded. From Nikkaluokta its about 16km journey with the snowmobile/bv 206 to the mountain lodge. see map.
From the mountain lodge it is an additional 8km to the summit/crash site.

Thanks for the information. I'd say that it could have been a worse location. Still on a snowmobile or sno-cat it would take some time (3-4 hours) to access the crash site from Nikkaluokta. I could be wrong though, I've rarely ridden on a sno-cat more than 10 kms.

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 61):
About the human remains. I don't know
in 1942 a British bomber, type HP.52 Hampden, crashed in the Swedish mountains.
it took 34 years before it was found again.

An amazing story, thanks for sharing.



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22898 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 59):

Thanks for the update!

It's amazing how fast news can disappear from TV, Radio and News Papers once other news are more "interesting". I almost forgot about this horrible tragedy.


User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22814 times:

Quoting TGIF (Reply 63):
Thanks for the update!

It's amazing how fast news can disappear from TV, Radio and News Papers once other news are more "interesting". I almost forgot about this horrible tragedy.

  


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 22355 times:

Parts of the wreckage is located in such a difficult spot, that one might have to wait until spring to atempt to get it out. This includes the tailsection with possibly the voice and data recorder. The alpine section of the Norwegian marine specialforces has been deployed to the area. The wreckage is scattered over an area with a steep angle of 30 - 80 degree slope before it reaches a vertical wall. The area has has a very high risk of avalanches.


http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10064994

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejegerkommandoen


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 22285 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 61):
in 1942 a British bomber, type HP.52 Hampden

Amazing story....thanks!!   



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22083 times:

I found this article at another forum.

The article says that neither of the Seismologic sensors that are present in the area,
registered any Seismologic activity at the time of the crash.

According to the article, if a plane crashed straight into the ground the sensors would register it.
The author of the article then suggests that the plane more likely "skidded" on the ground for a
short while before breaking up completely, which would explain the scattering of the wreckage debris.

http://www.forskning.no/artikler/2012/mars/317753



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 21860 times:

A little update, the tail fin and other parts the rearer end of the aircraft have been located
and brought to the hangar in Kiruna where all parts of the wreckage is taken.

Yesterday investigators also found some type of memory banks. They did not know what type it
was so it has been sent to the manufacturer for identification and to see if they can extract
any information from it. They only thing they know about the memory banks is that they do not
belong to the FDR or CVR.

So far they have only managed to search at about 10-20% of an area that is 300x800m.
This area is where they think that they will find the FDR and CVR.


http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=98&artikel=5046177
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8059153



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 21535 times:

Thanks for the update!

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21101 times:

All victims have now been identified and their remains will be brought to Norway.

Further searching for debris will continue until the upcoming weekend, then the work
at Kebnekaise will be put on hold since the snowing in the area makes it
bot hard and dangerous to continue the work. Work will then resume towards then end of
July when most of the snow in the area have melted.

The area will continue to be sealed off as a no-go zone for unauthorized persons since
it has been declared as a civilian Skyddsobjekt ("protected object")


http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?articleid=6842534
http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleID=6842437
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8067003
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10057181
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8067003



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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 20958 times:

Today the press was invited to the hangar in Kiruna where the recovered parts from the
plane wreck is stored,

A few pictures and videos:
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8071280
http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleID=6847963
http://svt.se/2.56952/1.2771238/vrak..._idag?lid=puff_2771274&lpos=rubrik
http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/artic...771328&d=126193&index=0&popup=true

The area around Kebnekasie have been reopened for public access despite what was
said a few days ago about extend the ban period.



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User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20570 times:

"10 tonnes of wreckage found"

That's less than 30%... How much snow will actually melt away during the summer? Let's hope the greenhouse effect will kick in this summer and give us a helping hand.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20573 times:

Quoting TGIF (Reply 72):
How much snow will actually melt away during the summer?

according to http://www.svenskaturistforeningen.s...tugan/Fragor-och-Svar-FAQ/#sommar6
there usually is some snow at the summits during the summer.



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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20374 times:

Some media have aired a potential explanation to the flying level way below the intended one as being the effect of a field of wave clouds.
Such clouds are created by internal atmospheric waves usually leeway of mountain ridges.
Satellite photos of the crash day show that there was such clouds on the ac path towards Knebekaise.
Each wave of cloud has its own sheer wind dragging ac down. So from cloud to cloud, the ac may lose altitude step by step (these clouds also provide uplift which normally compensates the downdraft).
This sounds possible but does not explain how a very experienced crew would not have noticed.


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20132 times:

a short Norwegian documentary (with Swedish subtitles) at Svt play:
http://svtplay.se/v/2783911/dokumentarfilm/flygtragedin_pa_kebnekaise

Have in mind that it might not be available outside Sweden.



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User currently offlineJONukl From Sweden, joined Jun 2009, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19544 times:

A preliminary factual report has been issued www.havkom.se
However, so far only in svedish.


User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20025 times:

Quoting JONukl (Reply 76):
A preliminary factual report has been issued


In short, the preliminary report indicates that Kiruna Tower instructed the incoming Hercules to descend to level 7.0.
The Hercules copied and executed the instruction bringing her below the top of the mountain ridge.
Due to the bad visibility, the crew did not see the mountain coming as suggested by the elevator found in horizontal position.
The crew went unknowingly straight into the mountain.


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17643 times:

Swedish soldiers have found one of the two black boxes of the Norwegian Hercules that crashed on Kebnekaise Mountain in march. The box was found about 100 meters from the crash site. It will now be sent to England for analasys.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...funnet-ved-Kebnekaise-6958238.html


Let's hope that they can get some info out of it ...


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 17510 times:

According to Swedish media, The findings are a result of the snow melting
allowing the area to be photographed from a helicopter.

They noticed that most of the debris are concentrated to one area.
That is where they will look during the next two weeks.

Search crew have also found the emergency transmitter as well as more
remains of the on-board flight crew.

They hope to be able to send both black boxes to England within a two weeks.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/sv...tad-efter-flygkraschen_7397428.svd



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User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17325 times:

It was the voice recorder that the Swedish soldiers found this weekend. Norwegian soldiers have now entered the search area once again to look for the data recorder.

User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 16951 times:

Both black boxes has now been found. The data rorder was found on Sunday:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...Hercules-flyet-funnet-6963823.html


http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/229...28145/jpg/active/978x_13197743.jpg

[Edited 2012-08-12 09:14:38]

[Edited 2012-08-12 09:15:29]

User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 81):
Both black boxes has now been found. The data rorder was found on Sunday:

And the English laboratory have been successful in extracting data from the blackboxes.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8345341

Can some explain why there are two investigation reports? The article says that one will be published
in January but that the Swedish/Norwegian won't be published until next autumn?

[Edited 2012-10-05 01:56:22]


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User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10186 times:

The investigation report is still delayed, initially it was supposed to be released in February this year
but the release has been postponed several times, currently September is when it is planned to be released.

The families of those who died have hired a legal expert and might go ahead with
a lawsuit against Lockheed depending on the contents of the report.
http://www.nsd.se/nyheter/artikel.aspx?ArticleId=7704419

Swedish TV4 will air a documentary tonight about the crash:
http://www.tv4.se/katastrofen-p%C3%A5-kebnekaise

Also according to another article there was no navigator on-board:
http://www.tv4.se/nyheterna/klipp/he...net-saknade-navigat%C3%B6r-2377226



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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 83):
Also according to another article there was no navigator on-board:

Speaking as a Nav...most C-130's these days no longer have Navs.


User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9402 times:

The TV documentary had some interesting facts:

- ATC issued a descent at 50 nm from the airport instead of the usual 30 nm, effectively clearing it to the same height as the mountain
- ATC issued a descent into uncontrolled airspace (with no radar coverage) without informing the crew about this
- And to me the most surprising: terrain warning on this aircraft does not work at latitudes higher than 60 degrees north, effectively disabling this feature for most of Norway's terrain (?!)

How come terrain warning does not work north of 60 degrees, is this GPS based and there's not enough coverage? Aren't these systems assisted by ground radar?


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2390 posts, RR: 13
Reply 86, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9390 times:

Quoting garynor (Reply 85):

Terrain warning (TAWS / EGPWS) works with a terrain database. And where do we get a database of all elevations? We need to send up a satellite to map the earth's surface with radar.

One of these missions was SRTM (STS-99) back in the year 2000 where a space shuttle mapped the earth's surface for eleven days. For physical reasons - in order use earth's rotation - many satellites are not launched on a circumpolar orbit (overflying both the north and south pole). So most satellites and all shuttle missions are never further north than 60° (and respectively, further south than 60°).


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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9383 times:
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Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 86):

I was thinking along the same lines...

I did a little checking and found, with Garmin anyway, the more current databases have coverage from 90N to 90S.

http://www.manualowl.com/m/Garmin/HTAWS/Manual/329305?page=37

Maybe our C-130 had an older database on board?



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User currently offlinegarynor From Norway, joined Oct 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9384 times:

Thanks for the replies. I would have thought a terrain database would be more complete by this day and age, there's a lot of stuff going on north of 60°.. Anyway, looking forward to the final report.

User currently offlineboacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9341 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 86):
We need to send up a satellite to map the earth's surface with radar.

Well, LIDAR is a perfectly acceptable alternative to aerial mapping from a LEO satellite ! Is there an LIDAR mapping efforts north of 60 degrees lat?



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Quoting garynor (Reply 85):
The TV documentary had some interesting facts:

- ATC issued a descent at 50 nm from the airport instead of the usual 30 nm, effectively clearing it to the same height as the mountain
- ATC issued a descent into uncontrolled airspace (with no radar coverage) without informing the crew about this
- And to me the most surprising: terrain warning on this aircraft does not work at latitudes higher than 60 degrees north, effectively disabling this feature for most of Norway's terrain (?!)

For my understanding this is what happened:

The tower gave them clearance to descend since there were no other traffic in the area,
however that still means that the pilots were responsible for keeping a safe flight level.
Most likely the pilots misunderstood the clearance and thought that they were clear
of any obstacles and then started the descent. The misunderstanding was likely caused by
differences in methods between flight controlling in Sweden and Norway.

The crew of the Norwegian C-130 discussed the height of the mountain
and what altitude they needed. It appears they didn't know exactly how high the mountain was.


According to this article the report will be classified but that sounds a little strange
since I assume that all investigations are available for the public?

http://www.kuriren.nu/nyheter/?articleid=6922691



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

The full accident investigation report will be released today.

It will be released at a press conference at ARN at 10.00 Swedish time (08.00 UTC) this morning.

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/sverige/i-...s-vad-som-hande-i-herculeskraschen

You can watch it live on this link: http://www.svtplay.se/video/1544408/sa-gick-herkulesolyckan-till

Broadcasts starts at 09.45 (07.45 UTC).

[Edited 2013-10-21 23:39:44]


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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Full report is only available in Swedish or Norwegian:

Swedish version: http://www.havkom.se/virtupload/reports/RM%202013_02.pdf
Norwegian version: http://www.havkom.se/virtupload/reports/RM%202013_02_no.pdf



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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 90):
For my understanding this is what happened:

I would add that while circling over Norway, waiting for their load of soldiers to be ready for the pick-up, the crew switched the ground collision warning to tactical mode. Reason unknown.
In such a mode, the system has no terrain references for latitudes North of Oslo!!
The crew was relaying of a map they obviously could not read correctly.
On the Swedish side, both controllers from Stockholm and Kiruna gave the ac clearance to enter Swedish airspace and to descend w/o knowing were the ac was.
That part of Sweden is not covered by radar (please invaders, take a note).
In addition, the controller in Kiruna was newly trained and alone.
In good scandinavian tradition, both Norwegian and Swedish accident commisions have concluded to organizational failures.


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