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Why Do Military A/c Use Civilian FBOs?  
User currently offlinehaynflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

I saw a picture of a Coast Guard GV parked at an FBO in HNL. Why wouldn't they just park across the field at Hickam AFB (JBPHH)? I can see if there wasn't another base nearby, but Hickam and HNL share the same runways....


It is on the April 4, 2012 post at this blog:
http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.com/


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts."
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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

Because at a FBO you can just pull up and get the service you need with little to no hassle. Most military bases require a PPR (prior permission request ??) and other typical military BS run-around to get anything done. I was a crew chief on helicopters and I can say that 90% of the time we used civilian FBO's.


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User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

As dragon6172 mentioned flying into military bases can be a pain in the butt. (In my experience's flying into AirForce bases seemed to be more of a pain then others.) One time we used a FBO over a military base because it had more ramp room for a medium size det of KC-130's. Also not all military bases have the GSE or Facilities to support all aircrafts. (i.e. a base with a fighter wing, won't always have hangar that can fit a KC-130.) Where as a FBO in Canada was able to arrange the use of an Air Canada hangar for us for repairs.


C-130; it's a love-hate relationship
User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

coming over to the USA with a C135FR, we were supposed to stop over at Andrews and Fallon.
Fallon didn't have any cargo loaders, so we were switched to Reno. Reno told us they couldn't accomodate us because the apron was taken up by the Blue Angels (parked up for the Lake Tahoe airshow).

So we ended up going to Boston and then Reno on the FBO side (parked up with an ANG C130 that had also been kicked out!).


User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Yep bases can be downright painful. When I was flying c12s the flag officers would schedule us through FBOs to avoid all the pomp and circumstances. Fuel is charged on a contract rate which is pretty close to gvt fuel

Also PHIK has always been very painful to deal with.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4368 times:

At the FBO I now work at, we previously have refueled Huey's that were in transit. We also get Apaches every now and then doing training once the Tower closes, thought I don't think we have ever refueled them (at least that I know of). Last year we had one show up around 9PM and it drew a crowd to the airport, taxied right up to the very edge of the ramp right in front of all the people and sat there for about ten minutes, then taxied back out to the runway and departed.


Commercial Pilot- SEL, MEL, Instrument
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

As others have mentioned, the FBO I used to work with was across the field from an ANG unit. We fairly routinely got Hueys, Apaches, Chinooks and Blackhawks in transit stop for fuel and avoid the ANG ramp. Part of the reason was the extra ramp space we had, but word did get around that we'd buy them pizza and soda if they came in for fuel. I bet I bought well over 100 pizzas in the 7 years I worked there.


The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

The FBO at PDX handles 95% of the military traffic from other places. Everyday I see F-16's, F-18's, Trainers, KC-135's, C-17's, C-130's. I often see Canadian Air Force jets also. All this and the Oregon Air Guard F-15 base is right across the Airport.

User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4008 times:

Canoecarier id becareful about posting about freebies given to military aircraft. FBOs will have the fuel contract cancelled on a heartbeat. There are rules in the contract about that very thing
I've been to some FBOs that get away with it by charging a whole dollar


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 8):
Canoecarier id becareful about posting about freebies given to military aircraft. FBOs will have the fuel contract cancelled on a heartbeat. There are rules in the contract about that very thing
I've been to some FBOs that get away with it by charging a whole dollar

Since I never mentioned the FBO and it happened over 15 years ago, I think everyone is safe.



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