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User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 144 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

Can't say I've ever seen this before. Still can't wrap my head around it. Why is a Saudi 747SP going to Andrews AFB, the same place Air Force One is stored? Do the Saudi's have a date with Obama?!


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User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

What is so surprising about a VIP transport landing at a military base, especially Andrews?

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Quoting SEA (Reply 1):
What is so surprising about a VIP transport landing at a military base, especially Andrews?

The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....



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User currently offlinemichiganatc From United States of America, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):

Exactly...maybe I should have phrased it differently. I would not have been surprised to have seen this at BWI or IAD. It has already been to these airports at least once in 2012. I just couldn't understand why it was going to ADW. I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

Not at all. Why shouldn't foreign heads of state be allowed to use secure American facilities? Especially when it means no disruption to civilians. Surely using ADW is far better than having a IAD or BWI overrun with security and the like.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.

Plenty of American planes have used Saudi military installations.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Come on people.... connect the dots here...... Saudis...... oil...... airplanes....... the last thing we need is a HUGE riot at IAD or BWI.

User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.


User currently offlinegenybustrvlr From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

Quoting SEA (Reply 6):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.

Absolutely correct. The poster does not have a good grasp on the current geo-political climate (or the geo-political climate during the last three decades).


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
Come on people.... connect the dots here...... Saudis...... oil...... airplanes....... the last thing we need is a HUGE riot at IAD or BWI.

Why would there be riots? It's just another Saudi airliner as far as anyone can tell.

By the way, the United States Secret Service is responsible for the safety and security of visiting heads of state and their families, so they undoubtedly get a say in the decision. And it is obvious why they would much prefer using Andrews AFB to any civilian facility. It's just easier for everyone involved.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
"Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD??

They could, it would just be a bad idea. If this is a Saudi government flight, it makes far more sense for them to be at Andrews. Andrews knows more than anyone else on the planet, probably, about handling high-security government VIPs.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

The Saudi government loves the Americans. The USA is their biggest military supplier, one of the biggest customers for their primary export, and the Saudi's are one of the US's biggest strategic partners and allies in the Middle East.

Tom.


User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.

Its been happening for awhile now...Red Flag especially. Had Saudi jets come through Langley once on a stop over. No big surprise as they are our biggest allies in the Middle East.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 7):
The poster does not have a good grasp on the current geo-political climate (or the geo-political climate during the last three decades).

Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.



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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5953 times:

"considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much....."

Strange considering they recently made the largest arms purchase in known history from the US worth over US$60 billion.

Considering the size of the investment I would find it strange for a Saudi official to land anywhere but a military installation.

"The package includes 84 new F-15 fighter jets, upgrades to 70 existing Saudi F-15s, 190 helicopters and a wide array of missiles, bombs and delivery systems, as well as accessories such as night-vision goggles and radar warning systems."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ms-deal-saudi-arabia-goes-through/



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2480 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

WTH are you talking about. The Saudi Government and the US Government have worked in concert for the past 60+ years! Ever since oil was discovered there...

BTW the Saudi Royal jets have landed ad ADW and IAD many times. The Saudi Ambassador to the US's A340 used to be based out of IAD. Nothing new or unusual here.



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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

This comes across as a shocking case of ignorance by quite a few. Is this another case of wrongly believing that everyone with brown skin from a middle eastern country must hate the US? Certainly seems that way to me. The US Government clearly don't have a problem with letting the aircraft onto their base, so why assume there's anything odd about it?

User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

Actually they have not had tourist visa's for several years now...for ANYONE.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

You must not travel frequently at all then, because that movie does little to nothing in the way of explaining travel there.

Look...don't take offense that people have corrected you. Thats all it was, a simple correction. We have Saudi friends here that would appreciate the correction.

Edit...Good catch though on spotting it coming into Andrews!

[Edited 2012-04-10 00:20:54]

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):

Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

That has nothing to do with geopolitics. That's tourism and having never been to Saudi Arabia, I can't comment. Either way, it's no secret that the U.S. and Saudi government have been quite close for many years now. Do a DB search for Saudia VIP planes (the 747SP in question is a good example) in the United States and I think you'll be surprised how often they're spotted around this country bringing the royal family in for state visits, medical visits, shopping trips, etc. Not unusual at all.



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User currently offlinerivervisual From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

A sad commentary on many Americans' views on world affairs - a movie forms the basis of opinion as opposed to something rooted in reality.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5299 times:
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Not to get too far off topic, but, it does some a bit unusual, that Saudi Arabia is considered to be one or our allies, yet, it's virtually impossible for an ordinary American to get a visa to go there. Britain and Israel are also our allies and we send them millions of our tourists every year who pump tens of millions of dollars into their economies. Maybe we should start linking the ability of their royal family to get US visas to the number of American tourists allowed in. the more of our tourists they allow in, the more generous we are with their visa requests.


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User currently offlinejohnclipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 18):
Not to get too far off topic, but, it does some a bit unusual, that Saudi Arabia is considered to be one or our allies, yet, it's virtually impossible for an ordinary American to get a visa to go there. Britain and Israel are also our allies and we send them millions of our tourists every year who pump tens of millions of dollars into their economies. Maybe we should start linking the ability of their royal family to get US visas to the number of American tourists allowed in. the more of our tourists they allow in, the more generous we are with their visa requests.

It's impossible for tourists from any country to get in, not specific to the USA. I guess you could call the Hajj tourism though...

I've been to Saudi once - my SV flight to DEL was delayed 24 hours. I was granted a visa to stay in a hotel for the night, using my American passport. People who only had Indian passports and were not Muslim slept on chairs airside that night. Saudi immigration policy is clearly much nicer to Americans than non-Muslim Indian citizens, I can tell you that.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Quoting SEA (Reply 6):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):

The Saudi government loves the Americans. The USA is their biggest military supplier, one of the biggest customers for their primary export, and the Saudi's are one of the US's biggest strategic partners and allies in the Middle East

You don't have to be lovers, to be business partners, I'm bet there are things they may not like about our culture, and I'm sure the reverse is true as well. Bottom line we have a deep relationship with the Saudis, the Royal family has backed US politics in the region, and I expect they do understand what power they do hold over the world, as they are an important supplier of oil to the West, without that relationship we all would be paying twice what we are for petrol. The Saudis have recently bumped up production of crude oil in hopes of keeping prices from getting further out of control,if that doesn't work it may end up plunging Europe then the US into a potentially devastating recession that will make 2008 look like a day at Disneyland. The Saudis are welcome allies and would get the same treatment as the Queen when she flew her BA 777 to AFB.



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User currently offlineLimaNiner From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Quoting NUAir (Reply 12):
arms purchase ... from the US worth over US$60 billion.
Quoting NUAir (Reply 12):
The package includes 84 new F-15 fighter jets, upgrades to 70 existing Saudi F-15s, 190 helicopters and a wide array of missiles, bombs and delivery systems, as well as accessories such as night-vision goggles and radar warning systems.

Is it just me, or is that is a *lot* of cheddar for not that much hardware...?

If each new F-15 is $150m, that's $12.6bn. Let each upgrade cost $100m (why not?), that's another $7bn. 190 helicopters at $50m each: $9.5bn. Add it all up, and you haven't quite hit $30bn yet.

Someone's paying sticker price...  


User currently offlineskysurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 22):
Is it just me, or is that is a *lot* of cheddar for not that much hardware...?

Let's not forget spares, training on the upgrades and support, plus the magical items ala $1000 hammer, so to speak!  

Cheers



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User currently offlinegatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

When Jintao visited DC earlier this year he used Andrews as well.

Why fly into BWI or IAD, which are 50 and 26 miles away from DC? Andrews is 14 miles away and has the ability to handle a VIP without having to completely disrupt commercial ops...



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User currently offlineANZUS340 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 7):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.

Seriously? I would say Saudi is more of a trading partner and that source of oil. I would not consider the kingdom friends at all. America is closer to a whole host of nations than they are Saudi Arabia. Australia, New Zealand, the NATO nations(for the most part), Japan, South Korea, Sweden. I could go on. America has little in common with Saudi apart from oil. The cultures and histories and political ideals are very different.


User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 833 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

From my time working in the Baltimore DC area. The Saudi Royal Family would use BWI/IAD for personal visits, but for official state visits they tended to use Andrews.

Foreign state visits usually do not require air traffic disruptions the same way the POTUS/VPOTUS flights do. Often they will use civilian airports as the services are generally better and ground escorts can still be effectively used. See JFK when the UN is in session.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13241 posts, RR: 77
Reply 27, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

Oh boy, what a revealing comment!
Please tell me that was being satirical?
I hate to break it to you, however trashy, silly Hollywood movies might not be much like the real world. Though I guess we've just seen who they pander to.

Saudi 747SP landed at LHR yesterday.
I just thought, 'don't see many of them around these days', rather than be consumed by paranoia, fuelled it seemed by shocking ignorance.

[Edited 2012-04-10 16:38:26]

User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2315 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

It's threads like these that make me yearn for a functional education system in this country.

From SF tearfully,

Wingman


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