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Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747  
User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 947 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8265 times:
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I would imagine that the modified 747 that carries the space shuttle will have very little use after the remaining shuttles are ferried to the various museums... Endeavour to the California Space Center and the test orbiter Enterprise from Dulles to NYC where it will be housed on a barge at the Intrepid Museum on the Hudson River.

If it is the same aircraft all along, then it is a modified ex-AA 747-200. There aren't too many 200s still flying.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31129 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8237 times:
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Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).

User currently offlineN126DL From United States of America, joined May 2010, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8185 times:
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There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

Quoting N126DL (Reply 2):
There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.

One of the two has already been retired to Palmdale to be a parts hulk for SOFIA, the SP modified to carry a huge telescope.
http://www.space.com/14555-space-shu...e-piggyback-jumbo-jet-retired.html


User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).

Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.



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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 4):
Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.

That museum already has too many jets rotting away! Now if they got their act together and actually had some of them flying (the jets that is!!) that may turn attract some attention. I'm personally not interested in Static displays....

Quoting RobertS975 (Thread starter):
it is a modified ex-AA 747-200

It's NOT a -200, it's a -100! I believe the final Shuttle Carrier is also the movie A/C that portrayed the "Columbia" 747 in Airport 1975.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31129 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7746 times:
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Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away!

They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes and make room for the Comet 4, first 727-100 and other planes that are currently up in Everett at the Restoration Hangar.

Hopefully once that is done, refurbishment of the City of Everett would be possible (the MoF have said they want to do so).


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2439 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 5):

It's NOT a -200, it's a -100! I believe the final Shuttle Carrier is also the movie A/C that portrayed the "Columbia" 747 in Airport 1975.

Now THAT would make for a great story!

Unfortunately, N9675 was the aircraft used in the filming, which became N675UP before it was scrapped last year.


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User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, N9675 was the aircraft used in the filming, which became N675UP before it was scrapped last year.

Stand corrected. Didn't that AA bird enter service with NASA???

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes

Stitch, this just makes my point further...these planes will NEVER FLY AGAIN! I think that's crazy. Some of the special jetliners should be kept just as flyable as some of the Boeing Props have. It's only money!



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
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Quoting N126DL (Reply 2):
There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.

negative. N905NA will live on. N911NA is now retired to Palmdale and is now the parts aircraft for 905 and SOFIA 747SP.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7121 times:
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Quoting eksath (Reply 9):
N905NA will live on.

Can this be substantiated or is it informed speculation on your part?



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7105 times:
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Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
Can this be substantiated or is it informed speculation on your part?

It is not speculation. This is first hand information. I should have some documentation to that effect somewhere too. I will post it when i got the free time to do it. Stay tuned.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).

Where on earth would they put it? They're already pressed for ramp space down there and they still have a Comet and the first B727 to find homes for...

Quoting United_fan (Reply 4):
Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.
Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away! Now if they got their act together and actually had some of them flying (the jets that is!!) that may turn attract some attention. I'm personally not interested in Static displays....

If I'm not mistaken (someone correct me if I'm wrong), RA001 is still Boeing property, so you can't really knock the museum for its current condition. You'll note that the outdoor aircraft that have been formally donated to the museum (G-BOAG and the VC-137B) are in immaculate condition. I'm sure that once Boeing hands the plane over for good, MOF will do a fine job of shining her up for the planned indoor display.

In any case, the 747SCA would make a fine museum piece somewhere, but everything I've heard suggests that she's going to spend some time as a NASA trainer before starting a new career as a couple thousand beer cans...hopefully that's not how it turns out.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6793 times:
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Per FAA database N7470 belongs to the Museum of Flight Foundation.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...lts.aspx?NNumbertxt=7470&x=20&y=18

I expect the Museum of Flight will build a building around the jet transports it presently has on display. Then after, or as the building nears, completion a cosmetic restoration will be accomplished.



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User currently offlineeksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6792 times:
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Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 12):
before starting a new career as a couple thousand beer cans...hopefully that's not how it turns out.

That wont happen. NASA realizes the value of the aircraft history and has often passed on the "quick buck". for e.g. the 4 STAs were retired to 4 centers as opposed to selling them off. There are numerous other examples. The last KC-135 Vomit Comet is a gate guard at Ellington. There are numerous others including T-38s at many different places. NASA 905 is an institution (even more so than NASA 911). On top of all of this, part of NASA's mission is education hence the preservation of the history and legacy of NASA905 fits into the grand scheme of things.



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6778 times:
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In the other SCA thread (which seems to have gone missing) there was some discussion of how many hours N905NA had on her.

I checked FAA service difficulty reports database which sometimes collects hours & cycles. In N905NAs case it had one service difficulty report filed in July 1995 for a nose gear problem. In the 25 years between it's delivery to AA, 29 Oct 1970, it's redelivery to NASA, 18 Jul 1974, and it's one & only service difficulty report, 13 Jul 1995 it only accumulated 10434 hours. I find it difficult to believe that it would have more than say 15000 hours on the clock now, NASA doesn't fly it hard.

I tried to find a recent report on hours for one of it's period AA sisters, but was unable. Surely though it's surviving sisters had 100000+ hours.

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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6721 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 15):
In the other SCA thread (which seems to have gone missing)

That was inevitable-- seemed everyone wanted to start their own thread.

Bet it's not even up to 15,000 hours.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away!

They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes and make room for the Comet 4, first 727-100 and other planes that are currently up in Everett at the Restoration Hangar.

Hopefully once that is done, refurbishment of the City of Everett would be possible (the MoF have said they want to do so).

About time. Seattle is not the ideal environment for an aircraft museum (too cold in winter and wet all year round). But if it were enclosed then it would make a huge difference.



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

Taking the Enterprise to New York



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Nice

Now would you carry The much larger Enterprise-D in two loads....since the saucer section detaches?



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