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F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!  
User currently offlineThumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Just read a report the air force is stationing F-22's with in 200 miles of Iran! Anybody hear anything about this?

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User currently offlinePowerslide From Canada, joined Oct 2010, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

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As tensions between Iran and the U.S. and Israel continue to mount over the former’s pursuit of nuclear weapons technologies, the U.S. has quietly begun a deployment of its premier stealthy fighter, the twin-engine F-22, to the nearby United Arab Emirates.

Multiple F-22s will operate out of Al Dhafra Air Base, say industry sources. This is the same base from which U-2s and Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicles have been launched since shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

“The United States Air Force has deployed F-22s to Southwest Asia,” according to a statement from service spokesman Capt. Phil Ventura. “Such deployments strengthen military-to-military relationships, promote sovereign and regional security, improve combined tactical air operations and enhance interoperability of forces, equipment and procedures.” Ventura declined to specify what the aircraft's mission is for this deployment.

Because of the F-22’s supercruise – or high, efficient rate of speed – stealth, thrust-vectoring and inherent intelligence-collection capabilities, it is considered the most sophisticated fighter in the world. Deploying it to any region causes occupants there to take note. says one industry official.

The timing of the deployment could be a signal from Washington to Iran to take seriously objections to the latter’s nuclear weapons ambitions.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12135 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

I guess Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.

User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

Is this a TDY or permanent change of station?


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I guess Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.

Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12436 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting Thumper (Thread starter):
F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

We didn't buy them to keep them stateside forever...



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User currently offlinewardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

My wild guess is that there location is somewhere in an airbase in Turkmenistan. Just a guess.

[Edited 2012-04-28 09:18:39]

User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 9297 times:
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Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 3):
Is this a TDY or permanent change of station?

Neither, it's a deployment.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 9165 times:

Quoting wardialer (Reply 6):
My wild guess is that there location is somewhere in an airbase in Turkmenistan. Just a guess.

Why? The article clearly states they're at Al Dhafra Air Base...



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User currently offlinePowerslide From Canada, joined Oct 2010, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.

It would be more of a competition to see who stays flying the longest. I'm placing bets that neither make it out of their own airspace before turning into pieces scattered on the Iranian landscape.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 9):
It would be more of a competition to see who stays flying the longest. I'm placing bets that neither make it out of their own airspace before turning into pieces scattered on the Iranian landscape.

Or more likely this is part of the diplomatic game of bluff that has been going on for some time. Also to give Israel a 'fell good' sense so that they don't do anything stupid. Like attack Iran.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iran...n-unlikely-develop-nuclear-weapons

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=267783

If you know anything about Israel, it's that the Jerusalem Post can never be described as other than strongly right of center.

It's interesting that current and/or former military and quasi-military leaders are coalescing into an anti-Netanyahu/Barak front. You have to wonder how long he will remain in power. He is, after all, the single biggest obstacle to peace in the region.

But it's a little off-topic I guess, except for providing a rational for deploying Raptors in the region. Hopefully they've fixed the OBOGS problem. Hate to see someone drive one into a sand dune.



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User currently offlinewardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 9066 times:

According to Fox News, the US will not state on the exact location on where there stationed like here below.
So my guess would be Turkmenistan.


The Air Force won't say how many jets were sent or exactly where they are stationed, but privately, U.S. officials have told Fox News the jets are in hangars at the United Arab Emirates' Al Dafra Air Base, a fact first reported by Aviation Week.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ran/?test=latestnews#ixzz1tN8I4IGu


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Just for a little clarification, my Reply 10 was to the point that the supposed F-22 deployment to the ME is not really about Iran. It's about Israel, and restraining them with the illusion the F-22 will keep them safe. The links are there to buttress the position that many inside Israel, influential people, are of the opinion that the national posture does not serve them well.

But I am sure many will disagree.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 9 hours ago) and read 8913 times:

So what exactly will the F-22 be doing, the US Air Force already fly's over Iran airspace, the F-22 can't lift the bunker busters required to knock out nuke facilities and Iran fighter forces will probably not launch so..........

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13187 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 8744 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
If you know anything about Israel, it's that the Jerusalem Post can never be described as other than strongly right of center.

It's interesting that current and/or former military and quasi-military leaders are coalescing into an anti-Netanyahu/Barak front. You have to wonder how long he will remain in power. He is, after all, the single biggest obstacle to peace in the region.

Quite. What informed people in Israel have been saying on this recently is startling, if the same happened in the US or UK it would be quite a scandal. Basically those in a position to know yelling 'BS' at the PM.
Still, given the other scandals Netanyahu is embroiled in, maybe one more makes no difference.
Certainly you wonder whether he is stoking a crisis to deflect attention from his domestic problems.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 14):
What informed people in Israel have been saying on this recently is startling,

One should also bear in mind the political climate / envronment, in recent history Israel governments have struggled to complete a full elected term.

In any event, they are in a no win situation and the circle is never ending. Israel said Iran was working on a nuke, the world said no, the US took up the mantra, nothing, the EU then took up the mantra, nothing, and by nothing I mean that Iran is still on its way towards its nuke.
In history Libya was the only nation who the world claimed was on the path and negotiation got them to drop the program, Iraq took a military strike from Israel and the last, well who knows. So when in our history has negotiation and payments prevented a nation from going nuclear and why are governments continuing to facilitate these nations programs by making payments? Facilitate by taking care of the citizens who are the only ones capable of preventing the pursuit of such programs.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):
One should also bear in mind the political climate / envronment, in recent history Israel governments have struggled to complete a full elected term.

   Quite right, few Israeli governments have ever lasted for the full Monty. That damned proportional representation keeps getting in the way of something like a sensible government. They are always hostage to the whacko fundamentalists.

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):
In history Libya was the only nation who the world claimed was on the path and negotiation got them to drop the program,

South Africa dropped it's nuclear weapons program after some discrete "discussions". And disassembled the weapons they had already made. I believe the uranium involved was fed into reactors under supervision.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 16):
South Africa dropped it's nuclear weapons program after some discrete "discussions". And disassembled the weapons they had already made. I believe the uranium involved was fed into reactors under supervision.

Either I did not know or as I aged I forgot or did not keep up, I did know of Israels close involvement with South Africa on their nuclear program.
Thanks for the info, the count is now up to 2.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 17):
Either I did not know or as I aged I forgot or did not keep up, I did know of Israels close involvement with South Africa on their nuclear program.

The Israelis were up to their hips in the SA nuclear program. To the point of conducting an actual test in the South Atlantic in Sept 1979. Floated the weapon off a barge by balloon to minimize fallout. Between Prince Edward & Bouvet Islands.



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Isn't this the same aircraft that was stumped by the International date line?  


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 13):
So what exactly will the F-22 be doing, the US Air Force already fly's over Iran airspace, the F-22 can't lift the bunker busters required to knock out nuke facilities and Iran fighter forces will probably not launch so..........

They might launch if there weren't F-22s. The 22s aren't much of a deterrent if they're not in theater.


User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7948 times:

well as much as they will like to say that this was just part of a scheduled movement.... schedules can be made a day in advance.
Anyone remember those reports of F-117A's airborne again at one of the desert airbases?

enough said  

and about Turkmenistan bases.... unless you would want to provoke a Russian redeployment of flying assets.. that wouln't be a very good idea. Remember the reactions from Russia & China when those Raptors deployed to Kadena.. nobody likes an upset of status quo

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User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Connies, a few months back when the thread on airstrikes against Iran came out I spent ages studying available aerial photography of Iran to get a handle on where their airbases were before postulating strikes. I found several (8 or 9 IIRC) F-14's on the ramp and around hardened shelters at Khatami air force base with plenty of shadow marks and engine run up marks indicating that they were at least ground active. The paranoid in me would suggest that the Iranians would have them out there anyway to make sure they were caugth on camera as a 'show of force' but they appear to be operational. The Google earth images are mostly within 5 years so its not inconcievable that they are still flying.

If I can find the post I gave coordinates for any other F-14 heads to have a look.


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Google Isfahan Airport in google maps and go to the north east end of the runway. You'll see pairs of hardened shelters with a few F-14's sitting outside them.


User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 19):
Isn't this the same aircraft that was stumped by the International date line?

Nothing wrong with the aircraft...that was caused by human error.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1818 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6828 times:

I think the F22 is more capable than many think it is.

User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 25):
I think the F22 is more capable than many think it is.

Agreed. I think the USAF is perfectly happy letting the F-22 sound like a lemon, just as they were just happy letting UFO sightings take credit for SR-71 flights back in the day.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting spudh (Reply 23):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Google Isfahan Airport in google maps and go to the north east end of the runway. You'll see pairs of hardened shelters with a few F-14's sitting outside them.

OK, will do. Thanks for that !   



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