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Obama's Secret Trip To Kabul  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3286 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

President Obama quietly and covertly left the White House late last night to board AF1 for a trip to Kabul, Afghanistan to sign a long-term cooperation agreement with the Afghan president. According to reports on CNN, President Obama demanded that Air Force One be utilized for the trip, as opposed to a executive configured AF cargo jet or even a Gulfstream III - which would have been much easier to "hide" in comparison to the huge, gleaming VC-25. This event recalls similar war-zone covert trips taken by George W Bush to Iraq and by Lyndon Johnson to Vietnam and Austrailia. President Clinton took a hush-hush trip to Pakistan and Eisenhower took a covert trip to Korea while he was President-Elect to assist in negotiations to the end of the Korean War. All of which must have given the entire Presidential Protection detail of the Secret Service migraines and heart attacks. My question is - did President Obama depart for Kabul from Andrews AFB? Even under cover of darkness, it's pretty damn hard to miss the VC-25 departing - even with all the window shades closed! The White House today covered for the missing Obama by publishing a bogus daily schedule for the President, even issuing reports of measures signed by the President today. Pretty sneaky, if you ask me - but all done in order to ensure the President's safety.

Source: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...est-in-tradition-of-covert-travel/

[Edited 2012-05-01 16:30:22]


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

You think he was definitely on the VC-25? It's a big, gleaming decoy, too.

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
his event recalls similar war-zone covert trips taken by George W Bush to Iraq and by Lyndon Johnson to Vietnam and Austrailia. President Clinton took a hush-hush trip to Pakistan and Eisenhower took a covert trip to Korea...

Was Nixon's trip to China a secret as well?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
All of which must have given the entire Presidential Protection detail of the Secret Service migraines...

Can't have debauchery with burqa wearing women.



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User currently onlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 1):
You think he was definitely on the VC-25?

Yes


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5723 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5903 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
war-zone covert trips taken by George W Bush to Iraq and by Lyndon Johnson to Vietnam and Austrailia.

Australia was a war zone, when LBJ was here???



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5759 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 5):

Australia was a war zone, when LBJ was here???

It sure was on the streets of Sydney, the protests were brutal!

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12837 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
All of which must have given the entire Presidential Protection detail of the Secret Service migraines and heart attacks.

I hear they have ways to relieve the stress....



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
which would have been much easier to "hide" in comparison to the huge, gleaming VC-25.

Didn't he helo into Kabul from the airport? Marine One would have been easier to take down than the big wide body. Although the whirlybird would have been a smaller target.

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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 2):
Was Nixon's trip to China a secret as well?

Nixon's trip to China was highly publicized from start to finish. Henry Kissinger's flight to set up the meeting, however, was quite secret and involved some "cloak and dagger" dissembling.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3286 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 4):
Australia was a war zone, when LBJ was here???

No, of course Australia was NOT a war zone. The prime minister of Australia (I forget the PM's name) died suddenly, and LBJ (on the spur of the moment) decided he wanted to personally pay his respects to his loyal friend. Since he was in the region, he also made a surprise visit to Vietnam.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):All of which must have given the entire Presidential Protection detail of the Secret Service migraines and heart attacks.
I hear they have ways to relieve the stress....

              

Quoting rc135x (Reply 8):
Henry Kissinger's flight to set up the meeting, however, was quite secret and involved some "cloak and dagger" dissembling.

So were Kissinger's flights to set up the Paris Peace Talks, he was allowed to use the VC-137C, so he would have instant and secure talks with the WH.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 9):
The prime minister of Australia (I forget the PM's name) died suddenly, and LBJ (on the spur of the moment) decided he wanted to personally pay his respects to his loyal friend. Since he was in the region, he also made a surprise visit to Vietnam.

That would be Harold Holt, who disappeared while swimming, and was never found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt#Disappearance

President Bush may have pulled off the biggest secret war zone visit in History. Over the 2005 Thanksgiving Holiday weekend he, and his family flew to his Texas ranch and the public was told President Bush would spend the holiday there with his family. I believe they arrived in Texas the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Later that evening, he rode in an SUV back to the Waco Airport and boarded AF-1 which was scheduled to return to ADW for a maintenance check. It did and taxied into its hanger, where the President boarded the second VC-25 and it took off for Bagdad at night with the logo lights off. The mission was filed as one of the C-37s. The troops were surprised when the President was standing on the serving line dishing out their Thanksgfiving dinner.

The press was really PO'd at Bush as they didn'ty know anything about the trip until after Bush returned to Texas and to his family. All they had were the WH ttaking pictures of the President and his troops.

Unlike President Obama, President Bush didn't make the trip during an election year, and he didn't "spike the football", or make it a campagin trip, or claim he killed anyone.

[Edited 2012-05-02 15:44:00]

User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
the President boarded the second VC-25 and it took off for Bagdad at night with the logo lights off. The mission was filed as one of the C-37s. The troops were surprised when the President was standing on the serving line dishing out their Thanksgfiving dinner.

Wasn't that the one where the whole thing was almost blown when some commercial airliner started blabbing on the frequency that he thought he'd seen AF1 only to get a reply from the guys stating another aircraft type so obviously not comparable that he shut up?


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5441 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
President Bush may have pulled off the biggest secret war zone visit in History. Over the 2005 Thanksgiving Holiday weekend he, and his family flew to his Texas ranch and the public was told President Bush would spend the holiday there with his family. I believe they arrived in Texas the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Later that evening, he rode in an SUV back to the Waco Airport and boarded AF-1 which was scheduled to return to ADW for a maintenance check. It did and taxied into its hanger, where the President boarded the second VC-25 and it took off for Bagdad at night with the logo lights off. The mission was filed as one of the C-37s. The troops were surprised when the President was standing on the serving line dishing out their Thanksgfiving dinner.

The press was really PO'd at Bush as they didn'ty know anything about the trip until after Bush returned to Texas and to his family. All they had were the WH ttaking pictures of the President and his troops.

Unlike President Obama, President Bush didn't make the trip during an election year, and he didn't "spike the football", or make it a campagin trip, or claim he killed anyone.

It was 2003. It was the Thanksgiving before an election.... and he took the press pool with him, probably embargoed until after the trip but they went along just the same......

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,104246,00.html



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5727 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Unlike President Obama, President Bush didn't make the trip during an election year, and he didn't "spike the football", or make it a campagin trip, or claim he killed anyone.

Can we please not go there? Do we really need this thread to go down the political battle path?

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User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 7):
Didn't he helo into Kabul from the airport? Marine One would have been easier to take down than the big wide body. Although the whirlybird would have been a smaller target.

MH-47G was used as the helo transport for the visit.

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User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5383 times:

Did they refuel mid-air en route to Kabul? Or stopped in Europe?

User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 15):
Did they refuel mid-air en route to Kabul? Or stopped in Europe?

I believe the VC-25A can do that trip non-stop on internal fuel from CONUS... Please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

Quoting sasd209 (Reply 14):

MH-47G was used as the helo transport for the visit.

Huh . . . so it would be called Army 1? And when Bush landed on the Carrier, was it called Navy 1? Or would these flight be called their regular designated name? Maybe the Secret Service may not want us to know.

MH-47G is still smaller than a wide body though   

bt



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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 17):
Huh . . . so it would be called Army 1? And when Bush landed on the Carrier, was it called Navy 1? Or would these flight be called their regular designated name? Maybe the Secret Service may not want us to know.

It is public information that whatever Service is providing the aircraft for the President it is called the Service Branch One. So when Bush went to the carrier it's call sign was Navy one. If the president happens to fly on a commercial aircraft, as Nixon did once, the call sign for that flight would be Executive One.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting 737tanker (Reply 18):
commercial aircraft, as Nixon did once, the call sign for that flight would be Executive One.

Just to close the loop. So, this will not apply if POTUS was on land or sea?

So when on a ship/yatch, they would just refer to the ship's name or just POTUS as opposed to Navy one or Executive one.

bt



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4959 times:
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Quoting 737tanker (Reply 18):
It is public information that whatever Service is providing the aircraft for the President it is called the Service Branch One.

Not if they don't want folks to know who it is......



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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
So were Kissinger's flights to set up the Paris Peace Talks, he was allowed to use the VC-137C, so he would have instant and secure talks with the WH.

According to his book "White House Years," Kissinger would sneak aboard an 89th 707 at Andrews and fly to Avord AB in France while the 707 was on a routine training mission. He would deplane and then board a French Mystere 20 for the flight to Villacoublay, near Paris, while the 707 took off again within 20 minutes. On one occasion the process was nearly compromised; to maintain secrecy observers were told that Kissinger was the French President's mistress......

Kissinger's presence on board the 707s was a secret, and all message traffic was handled by the U.S. Military Attaché in Paris General Vernon Walters, at whose home Kissinger stayed.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1876 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4310 times:
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Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 11):
Wasn't that the one where the whole thing was almost blown when some commercial airliner started blabbing on the frequency that he thought he'd seen AF1 only to get a reply from the guys stating another aircraft type so obviously not comparable that he shut up?

That was the trip. I believe it was a British Airways aircraft that spotted and aircraft that definitely wasn't a G-V (C-37)......


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