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User currently offlineB-HXB From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 745 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Hi,

I'm normally on the civil forums so military is a new venture for me - but I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am doing a project on military aircraft (in particular fighter jets - the Hawk and the Aermacchi) and I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an independent source which would review the capabilities and performance specs of these two planes. I'm aware that each individual manufacturer has the detail but I'm looking for something from someone independent which effectively measures whether the aircrafts measure up to spec.

Any help gratefully appreciated!

Thanks.

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User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Comparing data for militay aircraft is very difficult. I've a veritable library of books on my favorite fighters and you would be amazed at the spread of info out there. Performance data will vary from mission profile to profile.

A starting point for comparing data is wikipedia but you are at the mercy of the wiki gods for its authenticity and I doubt if any reviewer would accept it but at least its a complete datset. The most widely recognised independant source IMHO would be Janes but you could try www.fas.org as a reasonble source.

From my own experience I tend to go with books edited by Mike Spick or Bill Gunston but even then you have to pore over the info to break out what is operational data from manufacturers specificatons. If you just take range you will get completely different figures for, ferry, max range on internal fuel, combat radius, mission range (eg Hi-lo-lo-hi). The mission profile range armed might be a fifth of the ferry range! Similarly max speed, you'll get max clean, max sustained, max at altitude, max at low level etc.

The ideal data would be a report from a country which completed a fly off between the aircraft types in a procurement competion but I don't know how much of this gets out into the public domain.


User currently onlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

I'll second one of Spudh's choices... I've been using Janes as an aircraft Bible since I was in high school. Janes All The Worlds Aircraft is as exhaustive as it is a literally heavy book (bible) of aircraft data and history. Wiki will get you a good overview of the aircraft.

http://jawa.janes.com/public/jawa/more_info.shtml#search



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5083 times:
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come on guys, how's someone in school going to pony up $3,666 for help in a paper? there have got to be other sources.

User currently onlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 3):
come on guys, how's someone in school going to pony up $3,666 for help in a paper? there have got to be other sources.

And your contribution is?

There's not many to chose from. If you have a better suggestion I'd love to hear it.



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User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 4):
Quoting kanban (Reply 3):
come on guys, how's someone in school going to pony up $3,666 for help in a paper? there have got to be other sources.

And your contribution is?

There's not many to chose from. If you have a better suggestion I'd love to hear it.

We don't know whether B-HXB is in school or what. If this is a university project it is quite likely that a library they can access will have available copies of Jane's All the Worlds Aircraft.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4949 times:
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Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 4):
And your contribution is?

I was looking forward to the answer and an inexpensive source for the type of info requested. ...


User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

Well if the OP does not have access to a library that carries Janes, perhaps some one can email him a copy.

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

For starters we might point out that the Hawk and the Aermacchi (which one?) are not full blown fighters.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

I'll vouch for both Janes and the FAS website.

You may also want to check your local hobby store and see if the have Squadron//Signal books in stock. Each covers a different a/c type. They are geared more toward modelers but have useful info.

There are other publishers of similar guided too. If you dont have a hobby store near there are web vendors around, i have ordered books and from squadron.com and have goid experiences



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

The thing about the FAS site is that many of the entries were written by John Pike, who is now contributing to GlobalSecurity.org. What you'll find is that they'll both have articles based upon the same text, but the Global Security version is far more current.


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2920 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 3):
come on guys, how's someone in school going to pony up $3,666 for help in a paper? there have got to be other sources.
Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 4):
And your contribution is?

There's not many to chose from. If you have a better suggestion I'd love to hear it.

You could simply download a pirated pdf version of a jane's all the world aircraft and compare data that way. I was able to obtain a digital copy of their 2004 edition that way.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3547 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4597 times:
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Quoting bennett123 (Reply 7):
perhaps some one can email him a copy



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Quoting B-HXB (Thread starter):
point me in the direction of an independent source


Saw a copy today at a air museum research station.. that plus major libraries appear to be the best sources..
don't know where you are in NZ, trust one or the other is within reach.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3587 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Older versions of Janes ATWA are sometimes available in libraries. It is expensive, but a great book.

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