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Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8791 posts, RR: 24
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

http://ussenterp.epetitions.net/signatures.php?petition_id=1870

Please sign up.

I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

Let's bring back the great names of the past - names that denoted great struggle and achievement.


Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19414 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15423 times:

Signed and agreed (I know, monumental, right?)

User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4485 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Let's bring back the great names of the past - names that denoted great struggle and achievement.

I agree with you on this.



Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15403 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians.

I understand but don't necessarily like naming ships after Presidents - but that is a relatively established practice.

I abhor the naming of ships after a living person.

The only part of the deal they got right was naming a submarine after President Carter and a carrier after President Bush 41. Those at least had a valid reason (though it should have been after their passing).

But despite all of that - if we are getting a new JFK (CVN-79) then we deserve a new Enterprise - the third carrier - CV-6 was USS Enterprise along with CVAN-65 - and there were at least five previous USS Enterprise US Navy ships dating back to 1775.

Petition signed. Letter sent to SecNav, both Senators and my Congressman

SCPO Ret


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15399 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Let's bring back the great names of the past

How 'bout Gambier Bay?



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15401 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

I guess not big on the naming of CVN-76, the USS Ronald Reagan lol. I like the name, the USS Enterprise to be applied to CVN-80, it is a fine balance in my view between the (78) Gerald R. Ford a rep. and the (79) John F. Kennedy, a dem. It is a great tribute to the worlds first nuclear aircraft carrier, the CVN-65, "Big E", delivered in 1961.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15394 times:

Done.

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians.

Agreed. There are but a very few politicians that should be honored in this way. And, I can't really think of a living one right now. And, just to add, I find it disturbing that a ship is named for anyone who is still alive...even if the ship is just a keel being laid.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8791 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15339 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
I guess not big on the naming of CVN-76, the USS Ronald Reagan lol. I like the name, the USS Enterprise to be applied to CVN-80, it is a fine balance in my view between the (78) Gerald R. Ford a rep. and the (79) John F. Kennedy, a dem. It is a great tribute to the worlds first nuclear aircraft carrier, the CVN-65, "Big E", delivered in 1961.

As much as I admire Reagan, I don't think naming our flagships after politicians is a good idea - or people in general for that matter. I can understand naming one Nimitz - one of the great grand strategists in the use of carriers, and not a politician.

But I would like to see a new series named Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Bunker Hill, and another with names like Independence, Intrepid, and so forth.

Politicians are supposed to be public servants. Naming our ships for them is like a rich guy naming his yacht after the maid.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):

I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

You were doing fine until you started editorializing here given that the practice is hardly something that's become new in the last few decades. The USS Adams (named for John Adams) was laid down in 1797, the year of his inauguration, and placed into commission two years later. USS Franklin (named for Ben, natch) - 1777. The second ship named for John Hancock was commissioned nearly three months before the Declaration of Independence was signed. Martin Van Buren had a vessel named for him that entered service during his presidency. Sam Houston also had a ship named for him while his political career was still active. I'll agree that it seems to be happening a bit more regularly now then than, but it's not something that's just recently happened. Keep in mind to that ultimately it's SECNAV who names the ships, not elected leaders. Keep in mind that famous quote of Admiral Rickover's when the first twelve units of the Los Angeles-class were named for the home cities of the key members of Congress who were responsible for getting the boats approved (overturning the Silent Service's longstanding tradition of having its boats named for denizens of the deep - "Fish don't vote!"

At any rate, personally the names I feel most in need of return to service are:

Ranger
Enterprise
Constellation
South Carolina (hey, what can I say, I'm partial  )
Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington
Hornet

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Independence

You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg/800px-USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg

[Edited 2012-06-14 20:43:57]


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15336 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't think naming our flagships after politicians is a good idea - or people in general for that matter.

I'm okay with it, but only posthumously. That goes for politicians - I'd be okay with naming ships after high-ranking or important members of the military after they've retired.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15278 times:
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Agreed, and signed! The unofficial "Flagship" of the US Navy should always be Enterprise.


"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15254 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):

Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington

I like names after battle location. Maybe new names such as Haditha, Fallujah, Tora Bora or Abbottabad.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
should always be Enterprise

Why would you want to name an aircraft carrier after a car rental company?



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Enterprise, great name for a future carrier. But I think the next one should be named America. Enterprise would be fine for CVN-82 or so. I was a bit surprised that already CVN-79 will be named John F. Kennedy. Not a bad man, but there is still a carrier with that name, even if retired a few years ago. They should have waited until CVN-84 or so to give that name out again.

I also never understood why the latest of the US most prestigious warships are named after recent presidents with less than brilliant office records or almost unknown politicians. Worse even, after a living one who wasnt one of the greatest in the office and the father of one of the worst ever. No problems at all with Nimitz, Washington, Lincoln or Roosevelt. But Bush, Ford, Reagan, come on, those men do not deserve that honour, destroyers or submarines would have been enough for such secondary presidents.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15164 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 12):
Why would you want to name an aircraft carrier after a car rental company?

I know that's tongue in cheek, but the car rental company is named after CV6 U.S.S. Enterprise.
http://www.enterpriseholdings.com/about-us/heritage/



When seconds count...the police are minutes away.
User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15166 times:

Quoting na (Reply 13):
But I think the next one should be named America

That's also a name that's been taken again by USS America (LHA-6), which will be the lead ship of her class of amphibious assault ships and is slated to be delivered next year.

[img[http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/navy_america_name_063008w/063008_america_800.JPG>[/img]



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15137 times:

Too bad they didn't preserve CV-6 as a museum. Easily as important as USS Constitution to our naval heritage.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/USS_Enterprise_%28CV-6%29_in_Puget_Sound%2C_September_1945.jpg

[Edited 2012-06-15 07:08:45]

User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15101 times:
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Agreed. We need a new Saratoga, Midway, and definitely a new Enterprise. Honoring the ships and Naval heroes that served before, and by extension their crews and families, is an important naval tradition that improves morale and drives the present day crews to greater achievement and pride in their ships and jobs.

Who really cares to be serving a vessel named Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter? I know both served in the navy, but who cares? Purely political to name important vessels for them, and the politicians need to stop being so self serving. There seems to be a competition and tit for tat game being played here. Shughart and Gordon get supply ships while Ford and Carter get capital ships? What's that other than ignorant politics.

Heroes, battles and important historical vessels. If they did much for the navy, Nimitz, Reagan (he did get the 600 ship navy going) or Rickover, then there are worthy exceptions...but stop with dishonorable the important and overvaluing people like Stennis, Murtha and others who are there for purely political reasons.



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 15103 times:

Let's try this again:

[quote=garnetpalmetto,reply=15]
That's also a name that's been taken again by USS America (LHA-6), which will be the lead ship of her class of amphibious assault ships and is slated to be delivered next year.

http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/navy_america_name_063008w/063008_america_800.JPG



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19414 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15064 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..

Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15039 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..

Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

It's a littoral combat ship or something, ask someone in the Navy what that means... oh wait... well I'm on the aviation side  

But for real, yeah it's a strange looking ship. I think they're designed for close to shore operations. That and another ship were competing to be the Navy's littoral combat ship but both one, the other one looks more like a ship:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/US_Navy_090928-N-7241L-232..._%28cropped%29.jpg


Back on subject, we definitely need another Enterprise, that's a given, and I think it will be cool to have modern day battles as the names of some ships in addition to the old classic ones



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8791 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15037 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

That's a Littoral combat ship - a pretty new concept. It's a combination of assault transport and a frigate, meant for coastal waters and rather stealthy to boot.

By the way, the Independence Class ships scheduled are to be named:

USS Independence (LCS-2)
USS Coronado (LCS-4)
USS Jackson (LCS-6)
USS Montgomery (LCS-8)
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10)
USS Omaha (LCS-12)

Once again, we are naming a ship after a junior politician who's only claim to fame is that she got shot. Sorry, but if that's all it takes, why don't people like Larry Flynt, Dimebag Darrell, and Notorious B.I.G. get their own ships? Why are politicians considered to be more worthy than them, when people generally feel that politicians are scumbags less trustworthy than used car salesmen, lobbyists, lawyers and just about everyone else?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/151460/Re...y-Ethics-Members-Congress-Low.aspx



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15022 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
why don't people like Larry Flynt, Dimebag Darrell, and Notorious B.I.G. get their own ships?

A.net quote of the week. I couldn't agree more.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15024 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

It's a trimaran. Hawaiians figured it out a while ago.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15024 times:

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
Ranger
Enterprise
Constellation
South Carolina (hey, what can I say, I'm partial &nbsp Wink
Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington
Hornet

I think that the naming convention on aircraft carriers ought to be relevant to the Revolutionary War or to the earliest ships of the US Navy, as there have been carriers in the past whose names have a connection to the Revolutionary War or the early ships of the US Navy. There's already a Nimitz-class carrier the USS George Washington. Names like the USS Enterprise, the USS Constellation, the USS Saratoga, the USS Hornet and the USS Yorktown would be better than more contemporary names. What about a USS President, a USS Congress, and a USS United States names that graced three of the first six ships of the US Navy (The USS Constitution was one of those ships, along with the USS Chesapeake and the USS Constellation.)?


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15015 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10

That's just pathetic.


25 Post contains images KPDX : I just laughed out loud. Absolutely ridiculous...
26 Post contains images DocLightning : USS Larry Flynt? I like it. Superfly would LOVE it. But what class would it have to be? USS Notorious B.I.G. would have to be an aircraft carrier.
27 fr8mech : I wouldn't call it pathetic, I'd call it inappropriate.
28 Post contains images srbmod : The "Hustler" Class Make it some sort of spy ship that gets put on operations that are barely legal........ If you're going to name a ship after a po
29 Post contains images fridgmus : You have to ask?......LOW CLASS!!! Gee, I even crack my own self up!!! F
30 fr8mech : Outstanding. Carriers? Capital Ships? I'm not sure.
31 SmittyOne : Prior to / during WW2 they would have rated a Destroyer or Destroyer Escort at best![Edited 2012-06-15 14:54:54]
32 dl021 : I agree that they deserved ships...but those names led the way to further politicization of the naming of capital ships (in today's navy those are nuc
33 MD11Engineer : What about the USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)? Ok, his mother was American (but AFAIK became British citizen as it was compulsory back then when sh
34 SmittyOne : Jan, I think your average sailor can understand the significance of Sir Winston Churchill in American/world history. Plus by the time they named the
35 KiwiRob : I think the average sailor would be pretty happy serving on a ship named after Churchill, Winston had guts, he was a soldier and a great leader.
36 MD11Engineer : I´ve got nothing against Churchill, quite the opposite! He is my favourite 20th century politician. He has made mistakes, but he was one of the VERY
37 Mir : Vampires, apparently. -Mir
38 747400sp : I agree, with morden politicians, but I glad that CVN 79, will be name the USS John F Kennady. PS: If CVN 80 is name The USS Enterprise, then the For
39 Dreadnought : Why? His most notable actions were starting the Vietnam War, Starting the Apollo project, bedding Marilyn Monroe, and being shot. Apollo was pretty c
40 Post contains images SmittyOne : From what I've read his actions in the aftermath of the PT-109 sinking were pretty heroic. Perhaps not 'capital ship' worthy, but in contrast to most
41 AviRaider : He was made an Honorary Citizen in '60s and with his American blood, as it were, not to mention being America's closest Allied leader during WWII, I
42 slider : Good point---MOH winners should be recognized with namings. You're kidding....totally inappropriate and ridiculous honor. She ought to voluntarily de
43 Dreadnought : They can name frigates and cruisers after them, but the Capital Ships should be reserved for something special and enduring. As someone mentioned abo
44 LMP737 : I think that tag belongs to LBJ. Eisenhower was the one who initially sent advisers to South Vietnam. When JFK was assassinated there were around 160
45 wvsuperhornet : I think we need to name it the USS "not sure why this post is in the aviation section of this forum" ?
46 AirRyan : How about the USS FunnyMoney? How can we spend $40B+ developing the Ford class carrier to replace the Nimitz class, when for that price we could have
47 rwessel : The estimates are thet they've spent about $5B in R&D and the Ford will cost ~$9B on top of that to build. Presumably the follow-on ships will be
48 Post contains links AirRyan : The argument is that the Ford class carrier will save money over a 50 year period with some of it's new efficiencies and less required manpower. This
49 ebj1248650 : Would love to see a new carrier named Yorktown, in honor of the carrier and crew who served so gallantly in the Pacific during WWII.
50 kanban : Why name them at all? just go with the numbers (CVN80).. heck half the time the number identity is used anyway.
51 sunking737 : How about another U.S.S. Langley?? After all she was CV 1, and CVL 27[Edited 2012-06-26 21:01:35]
52 LMP737 : Cruise missiles are nice but they cannot provide air cover for the fleet, provide close air support for troops on the ground against a manuvering ene
53 AviRaider : I read it as he is referring to cruise missiles being used against our carriers and how it would be better to have strength in numbers (i.e. more Nim
54 sprout5199 : Yorktown was a Tico class CG but was decommed due to her having the twin armed missle launcher vs VLS. Why put her name in that class? The rest are n
55 garnetpalmetto : I know, which is why the USN needs a new Yorktown, preferably a CVN. Two proud CVs carried that name with distinction and I think it'd be fitting for
56 LMP737 : I'm refering to the line in the article "Dispatching more jets from a carrier doesn’t provide a tactical advantage in an age of precision-guided we
57 BMI727 : Well if she gets a ship because she got shot, I propose we name a ship the USS Tupac.
58 Post contains links and images Oroka : Well folks it happened. With the decommissioning of the CVN-65 USS Enterprise, it has been announced that the CVN-80 will carry the name Enterprise! C
59 silentbob : So, B.I.G in the Atlantic fleet and Tupac in the Pacific? we certainly couldn't have them anywhere near each other. Fantastic news
60 ThePointblank : A lot of new systems and redesign are involved with the Ford class carriers; namely the following: - redesign of the flight deck layout to handle 4 s
61 AirRyan : Maybe so, just a lot of money to spend when you have budget woes and half-assed carrier air wings (thanks Bowed-WIng!,) as we do. And Ford for the en
62 ThePointblank : The Ford's design life span is 94 years; these carriers will be in service for a VERY long time.
63 Dreadnought : Excellent news indeed. Now we need a Lexington, a Saratoga, and a Yorktown. I was thinking of Hornet as well, but I have to say that even back in the
64 Post contains images garnetpalmetto : Not really considering the lineage of the name Hornet. 8 ships have held the name, most famously a sloop with that name that fought in the Revolution
65 76794p : I think they mean the life span of the class, not one CVN. The expected life span will be fifty years, just like CVN-65 and the Nimitz class. This me
66 BigJKU : Lex, Sara, Yorktown I agree with. I am iffy on Hornet but think that United States and Constellation need to be in there first. I would also go for a
67 Dreadnought : I wasn't aware of that lineage, thanks. There are 10 ships planned. Here are my suggestions (assuming the first 2 are too late to change): CVN-78 Ger
68 Geezer : May I remind you that he backed Kruschev down during the Cuban missile crises ? That act alone makes him deserving of having 5 carriers named after h
69 Zkpilot : He didn't start it. He stood up to the Soviets during the Cuban Missile Crisis (closest even to WWIII) and in other ways (Berlin etc), and yes he had
70 garnetpalmetto : Those names are currently born by Ticos (albeit CG-55 is Leyte Gulf, not Leyte - how long they'll be around is anyone's guess at this point what with
71 Post contains images Dreadnought : I was aware of that but feel they deserve an upgrade. I'm curious why you left out Saratoga.
72 BigJKU : Really if you could make plans right now I would largely agree with that list but would drop Kitty Hawk and Ranger for United States and America and
73 Dreadnought : I disagree. You never want to name a warship with such a grandiose name. Imagine the the propaganda value if an enemy could claim "We destroyed the U
74 Post contains images garnetpalmetto : Because I hadn't had my coffee yet and made an oopsie Sub out Midway for Saratoga. I'm at the point where I'm fine with there not being a USS United
75 Dreadnought : It didn't get scrapped - It was converted into the CV-2 Lexington, along with her sistership Saratoga, which is why the Lex and Sara were much, much
76 garnetpalmetto : I think you may be confusing what I'm saying, Dreadnought. Yes, the USS Lexington (CV-2) was converted from USS Lexington (CC-1) and USS Saratoga (CV
77 rwessel : I believe the electrical output of the reactors has been tripled (IOW, bigger turbine/generator sets hung off the steam end). The total power output
78 Post contains images gigneil : I am always all for having ships of the line named Enterprise - if we ever set sail for another solar system, that vessel better be named Enterprise N
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