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Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX  
User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Two of my friends saw what appeared to be a tanker and four jet fighters flying over our building in San Antonio around noon or so today. Both said the fighters appeared to be delta wing aircraft and were certain the planes weren't F-16 or some other American designed airplanes. Can anyone in San Antonio who might have seen this formation clarify what types of airplanes they were?


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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Probably German Typhoons finishing up with Red Flag. I think I read Germany sent 6 Typhoons this year.

User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1596 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 1):
Probably German Typhoons finishing up with Red Flag. I think I read Germany sent 6 Typhoons this year.

Red Flag was in June and in Alaska.

Quote:

Red Flag, which lasted from 11th until June 22nd, provided an opportunity for the participating nations to gain invaluable experience in tactical missions, collective defence and conflict management. Fighter Wing JG 74 took part in the exercise in readiness for its assignment to the NATO reaction force this year, assuring the unit has the right level of interoperability and capabilities for such a role.

Marc Grüne, Lt. Col. of Fighter Wing 74, said: “The German Air Force’s decision to take part in exercise Red Flag - Alaska offered a great opportunity for Fighter Wing 74 to train, test and improve personal skills and aircraft capabilities. We wanted to see if the Eurofighter is capable of everything we think it is. And the aircraft is definitely capable.
http://www.eurofighter.com/media/new...hoons-in-red-flag-alaska-2012.html



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

When Us shifts its focus from Europe to south east Asia there will be a vacuum around EU for a while, are Europeans up to the task? As it seems the Libya campaign shortage of weapons and resources were apparent after just 11 weeks, the Us had to step up and resupply the European members.

I think we have lived under the Us umbrella for too long and are not used to taking the full responsibility and around EU. With the recent defence cuts in EU, things will only get harder for us to fill that role.


User currently offlineTGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

Too early for these perhaps?

http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123306215

Quote:
Red Flag 12-4 to be held July 16-27

...

In addition to U.S. aircraft, the United Arab Emirates, flying F-16s, and the Air Force of the Republic of Colombia, flying KFIRs, will participate.



User currently offlinejderden777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1755 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting TGIF (Reply 4):
Too early for these perhaps?

Probably not too early. They could have stopped/flown over San Antonio on their way to Davis Monthan for a couple weeks of workups prior to going to Nellis for Red Flag.

http://davismonthan.tucsonnewsnow.co...week-operation-snowbird-facilities

jd



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 3):
When Us shifts its focus from Europe to south east Asia there will be a vacuum around EU for a while, are Europeans up to the task? As it seems the Libya campaign shortage of weapons and resources were apparent after just 11 weeks, the Us had to step up and resupply the European members.

I suspect some European Air forces, certainly the RAF and the French, would answer 'speak for yourselves' on that.
While some smaller AF's did run short of munitions, the RAF did not, while production of the Brimstone weapon was stepped up to meet demand, which it did sucessfully - but that is made in the UK, not the US. Note also the RAF also deploy this weapon in Afghanistan. There were no reported shortages of Storm Shadow or of LGB's either.
Nor of the French ASSM, their version of the Storm Shadow and their other systems.

As for the others, better a smaller AF makes the effort in the first place and runs short of weapons as a result, than does nothing at all, unlike some other rather larger AF's from larger European nations, they know who they are.

The issue therefore, which you rightly raise, is perhaps not whether European AF's are up to the task - one agreed by the UN in the case of Libya - but why some NATO European AF's usually shoulder all the burden compared to others on the continent. This is a political rather than a military issue.


User currently offlineTancrede From Finland, joined May 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 6):
I suspect some European Air forces, certainly the RAF and the French, would answer 'speak for yourselves' on that.
While some smaller AF's did run short of munitions, the RAF did not, while production of the Brimstone weapon was stepped up to meet demand, which it did sucessfully - but that is made in the UK, not the US. Note also the RAF also deploy this weapon in Afghanistan. There were no reported shortages of Storm Shadow or of LGB's either.
Nor of the French ASSM, their version of the Storm Shadow and their other systems.

As for the others, better a smaller AF makes the effort in the first place and runs short of weapons as a result, than does nothing at all, unlike some other rather larger AF's from larger European nations, they know who they are.

The issue therefore, which you rightly raise, is perhaps not whether European AF's are up to the task - one agreed by the UN in the case of Libya - but why some NATO European AF's usually shoulder all the burden compared to others on the continent. This is a political rather than a military issue.

  

As for shortages, it is right that UK and France were rather short of UAVs and then US had to come to Libya with some Predators-like drones. But otherwise, both countries had enough weanpons to procede with these operations until the end of the war.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 2):

Red Flag was in June and in Alaska.

Red Flag and Red Flag-Alaska are two different exercises.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Can't wait for the black helicopter crowd to get a hold of this.  

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13229 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Quoting Tancrede (Reply 7):
As for shortages, it is right that UK and France were rather short of UAVs and then US had to come to Libya with some Predators-like drones. But otherwise, both countries had enough weanpons to procede with these operations until the end of the war.

True, with drones, at the moment, they are token assets.
Presumably the Anglo-French effort to develop UCAV's recognises that.


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