bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3039 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9783 times:
Jane's Aerospace and Defense Consulting has done a cost analysis and found that Sweden's Saab Gripen has the lowest operating costs of all western jetfighters.
“At an estimated $4,700 per hour (2012 USD), the Gripen compares very favorably with the Block 40 / 50 F-16s which are its closest competitor at an estimated $7,000 per hour,” says the report, adding, “The F-35 and twin-engined designs are all significantly more expensive per flight hour owing to their larger size, heavier fuel usage and increased number of airframe and systems parts to be maintained and repaired. IHS Jane’s believes that aircraft unit cost and size is therefore roughly indicative of comparative CPFH.”
In comparison, the figure for the F/A-18 Super Hornet ranged from $11,000 to $24,000, depending on degree of operational capability. The figure for the Rafale was $16,500 per flying hour and number for the Eurofighter Typhoon, derived from British Parliamentary figures and seeming to cover only fuel usage, was $8,200. But Jane’s estimate of the actual Cost Per Flying Hour for the Eurofighter, keeping in mind supplies and scheduled maintenance raised the figure up to $18,000.
good question.....but if the price to buy the F-35 is to "half the fleet" and put 50% of flight time/year behind a simulator to make it within the budget......hard one! i know this would probably be the case in Denmark if they decide to go for the F-35 and probably for Sweden as well so i hope we stick with 80 to 100 Gripen NG,s and stays up in the air instead
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1760 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9623 times:
If the Swiss air force would buy the NG, Sweden has promised to buy 10..What good would ten NGs do? They can hardly afford to have 100 of the current gripen active either, why would they have 100 NG that will cost a lot more?
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1760 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9437 times:
I doesn't seem like the current government is big on military spending, the funding would come from the rest of the defence budget, already meager. The Gripen according to many former officers have eaten a lot of army funding over the years.
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3039 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9418 times:
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 2): It would have been a much better choice for Norway than the F35.
But Norway was more or less bribed by the US saying that Norway would get alot of work from the program. That really didn't happen (they did get some) Then the ego thing of playing with the big boys in NATO.
"An idea has to be incredibly absurd to have any reasonable chance of succeeding" --A. Einstein
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9300 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 6): I doesn't seem like the current government is big on military spending, the funding would come from the rest of the defence budget, already meager.
Very true.....the Swedish Navy doing ok with it,s new stealth corvettes and newer submarines are on it,s way if my memory doesen't fail me,the army on the other hand would probably be the big looser here.
I have a hard time seeing numbers below 80 if we decide to go for the NG unless more country's except Switzerland would enter and share the cost,it simply requires a certain amount of fighters produced to make it financially viable.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1760 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9224 times:
Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 8): Very true.....the Swedish Navy doing ok with it,s new stealth corvettes
Just that they still lack AA capable missiles..someone fubared that at FMV, I have worked there so I am not surprised.
IF the Swiss back out of the NG Sweden wont build them either, maybe they will outsource air defence like they do with most other key areas Anders Borg is the worst enemy the Swedish defence has, he loves collecting our taxes but not giving it away.
A sad period of underfunding, lack of vision and incompetence has put its marks in the Swedish defence force.
FBWless From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 189 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6306 times:
The report has now been noted in Norwegian media, and also Swedish media of course. Naturally the selection of F-35 will come under even more scrutiny, but SAAB claims that the report was intended for the Swiss fighter competition.
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6202 times:
Quoting FBWless (Reply 11): The report has now been noted in Norwegian media, and also Swedish media of course. Naturally the selection of F-35 will come under even more scrutiny, but SAAB claims that the report was intended for the Swiss fighter competition.
Norway has put the "last 8" on hold and reduced the numbers ex training aircraft to about 40,they have reduced nr of airbases to ...one! Norwegian media speculate that the solution to the high cost to run this thing,is "less time up there and more in the simulator" Problem solved!
But the report itself is not aimed for Norway as you say!
BigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 865 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5933 times:
I don't really get comparisons like this. The best way to do something like this would be to compare utility to cost rather than flight hours. The Gripen is lower cost, but it is also lower capability than almost all the other platforms listed as well. I am not sure there is a good way to really encompass that though. I think in an Air to Air interception role it probably is the best value. If you are just dropping bombs on random terrorist it probably can get the job done as well (though the F-16 and F-18 are better equipped for that job). If you want to do deep strike or operate near opposed air space then all that changes though.