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Jet Age's Most Diverse Carrier Flight Deck?  
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4349 posts, RR: 19
Posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Todays US Navy Carrier Flight decks are the most boring ever, basically just F18's and E2's.


IMHO, as far as the jet age is concerned the 70's and 80' s were the era in which these flight decks carried an amazing variety of Aircraft.


A flight deck with, at one time F14's for fleet defence, A6's for all weather medium bombing, A7's for light attack, the incredible Vigilante for recon, S3's for sub patrol, and E2's for AEW (am I missing anything ?) was an incredibly impressive sight never to be equaled again.


I know technology has moved on but this seemed a far more capable Air wing than today's 'all F18' answer to every mission.


And it certainly looked good !



Thoughts / opinions ?


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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1342 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Don't forget all the rotor wings...

And yes, the F-18 she just be called what it is already... The 737 of the Navy.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4349 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 1):
Don't forget all the rotor wings.

Didn't mean to, fixed wing has always been my primary interest though.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7458 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
I know technology has moved on but this seemed a far more capable Air wing than today's 'all F18' answer to every mission.

The carrier air complement of the 1980's was definitely sexier than today. However if the all round F/A-18 can fulfill each of the roles mentioned above the carrier doesn't lose any 'capability' but does increase its ability to generate sorties. I am basing this on an assumption of overall reliability of the airframes and easier MX/storage control on a 2 frame air complement.

Has the change to an F-18/E-2 fleet increased the actual numbers carried since the 1980's? I am assuming the cuts in defense spending have lowered normal operational numbers in their own way.


User currently offlinecargotanker From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
A flight deck with, at one time F14's for fleet defence, A6's for all weather medium bombing, A7's for light attack, the incredible Vigilante for recon, S3's for sub patrol, and E2's for AEW (am I missing anything ?) was an incredibly impressive sight never to be equaled again.

I think at that same time you could also have KA-3s for refueling, C-2 for COD, and EA-6s for electronic warfare. Quite diverse.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15707 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 1):
And yes, the F-18 she just be called what it is already... The 737 of the Navy.

Blame Dick Cheney.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4349 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 4):

I think at that same time you could also have KA-3s for refueling, C-2 for COD, and EA-6s for electronic warfare. Quite diverse.

Yes, forgot about those, that Ka 3 was a big aircraft to land on a carrier and apparently very tricky to as well.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2097 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

I agree completely on how boring the load out of aircraft on a carrier is these days, and to add to that is they are missing the very colorful markings they had back in that same hey day. The hi vis markings such as my favorite, the Jolly Rogers F-14's are sorely missed by me. Less markings, less diverse aircraft.. truly bland from an aviation fans point of view. And I like rotor craft as well as fixed wing so I miss that too.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Blame Dick Cheney.

I do. Definitely do.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4349 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 3):

The carrier air complement of the 1980's was definitely sexier than today. However if the all round F/A-18 can fulfill each of the roles mentioned above the carrier doesn't lose any 'capability' but does increase its ability to generate sorties. I am basing this on an assumption of overall reliability of the airframes and easier MX/storage control on a 2 frame air complement.

I understand what you are saying although I doubt the F18 can accomplish all the tasks the more diverse air wings did (especially the F14)


Anyway that wasnt really the purpose of this topic.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 18 hours ago) and read 6678 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):
A flight deck with, at one time F14's for fleet defence, A6's for all weather medium bombing, A7's for light attack, the incredible Vigilante for recon, S3's for sub patrol, and E2's for AEW (am I missing anything ?) was an incredibly impressive sight never to be equaled again.

I fondly remember all of these planes being included in a model kit that I built when I was a kid!


User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

There was a time when the Navy wouldn't have committed to a single type tactical aircraft to be the jack-of-all trades covering all of an air wing's requirements. Back then, there was the concern that a type of aircraft might be grounded and there'd be nothing to take its place. Hence carrier air wings had, for example, Banshees as well as Panthers; Crusaders alongside Phantom IIs. But those days appear to be long gone and the jack of all trades seems to be the current "in" thing with defense planners. And airframe reliability has come a long way as well; the diversity apparently just isn't needed any more.


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User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

3 more to add, The RF-8G Crusader flew Photo recon up till the mid 80's and the F-4N,S and RF-4B Phantom flew off mixed decks. If you get a chance look for a picture of the USS Midway launching 2 Tomcat that landed on it in in a storm. I miss them too   I talked to a VAQ gal and told her, Please keep the Family Truckster around for a while - Im getting tired of looking at Hornets   She lauphed and said they were too. Oh and I miss the sound of the SH-3H Sea King. What a rumble  

[Edited 2012-07-24 10:59:13]

[Edited 2012-07-24 11:02:18]

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6129 times:

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):

Todays US Navy Carrier Flight decks are the most boring ever, basically just F18's and E2's.

Makes a pretty boring Alpha Strike. IIRC, the Navy has ended this type of strike package, I may be wrong.

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 7):
and to add to that is they are missing the very colorful markings they had back in that same hey day.

I believe only the "double nuts" plane(s) have the colorful markings.



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