flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 493 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7806 times:
The museum I belong to acquired an F-4C Phantom this past Winter/spring and we were supposed to retrieve it by March/April but we have still not got it back to our facilities due to not being able to take the wing off. We have uncovered all the access panel that we thought would give us access to bolts, but we never found any.
We have not been given any useful info by the air force on the subject, and from the answers we have been given by some others, it seemed that its very hard to get them off. It's to the point where if we can't get info on this soon, we will have to cut the wing off the plane to get it back here, which none of us want to do.
If anyone has any useful info, even if it's just on what manuals to try and get, it would greatly help as we are very limited on time as we have already been contacted by the Pentagon.
I was told on the warbird information exchange forum (which I have a thread going there as well) that the bolts may be vertical and may be accessed through the engine compartment. Can anyone confirm this?
boeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7353 times:
First off I would contact AMARG at Davis-Monthan AFB. They deal with this all the time. If approached in the proper fashion getting the info shouldn't be too hard.
Secondly, if my memory is correct, the F-4 wing is a single piece with a carry through under the intake ducts. There are access panels on the side of the fuselage that should allow you access to at least some of the bolts. The fuselage will have to be lifted off the wing.
boeingfixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7309 times:
I should also mention that the Collings Foundation would be a good organization to contact as well. They have an airworthy F-4D and may be able to help with the manuals you may need to carry out a wing removal.
ebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7195 times:
Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 2): I should also mention that the Collings Foundation would be a good organization to contact as well. They have an airworthy F-4D and may be able to help with the manuals you may need to carry out a wing removal.
Excellent suggestion! Could Boeing at St. Louis also help? The F-4 was produced there.
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 493 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6563 times:
Well we got word over the weekend that Worldwide Aircraft Recovery has been hired to take it apart for us as they have done a couple already.
There are two ways that it can be done. You can support the wing and lift the fuselage off the wing or you can support the fuselage and drop the wing out below. They will be doing the latter with ours.
We should have it back home in the next week or two. I can't wait to start working on this plane!
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 493 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5551 times:
Tonight the F4 arrived safely at our hangar!
I wasn't really expecting it until tomorrow or thursday. I just so happened to be out getting food while on break and caught a glimpse of something weird on a trailer as I was getting into my car to come back to the airport( where I work). Took another look and realized it was the wings and the truck in front was the fuselage. Watching it pull into the museum, knowing that in a few days I'll be able to start digging into it and restoring it was cool.
About 5 or so cars came into the airport to watch it as well.
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2122 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4881 times:
Given that the wing has to withstand some substantial negative G's as well, I was expecting some big bolts (or at least some big holes for the big bolts). Any chance you could snap a few pictures of the attachment points and hardware for those of use curious about such things?