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Boeing P-8 Poseidon Neptune Wing Question  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7495 times:

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Does this military model of the 738 have RAKED wingtips? What for? Does it do anything to give it a longer range?

sorry if discussed before.
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User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Yes. See "737" Raked Wingtips Better Than Blended Winglets? (by Ikramerica Jun 4 2005 in Tech Ops) .

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

Per Areopagus: yes. Raked wingtips are slightly more efficient than winglets, but for 737-sized aircraft move them from, I believe, Class 3 to Class 4 in terms of apron footprint (> more cost). But the Navy won't have to deal with that.

P-8 is the "Poseidon", not "Neptune".

"Neptune" was the name given to the Lockheed P2V "Neptune" ASW aircraft built mostly for the US Navy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_P-2_Neptune



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

OK i see, thanks for the info.

Mods please change thread title!



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

The P-8 is actually designated as the P-8i Neptune in Indian Navy service.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-eight-northrop-mq-4c-bams-370233/

Quote:
"BAMS would be particularly useful for India because it is optimised to operate in conjunction with the Boeing P-8A Poseidon, of which India has ordered eight examples designated as the P-8I Neptune."


.....and differs from the US version by having a 360 degree belly search radar, and a Magnetic Anomaly Detector at the tailend.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YQVL4ICHWPg/UAU8b-meCkI/AAAAAAAAQqo/ECEZIwLs9NU/s1600/P-8I%2B%25232%2Bfirst%2Bflight%2B%25282%2529-730661.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YQVL4ICHWP...%2Bflight%2B%25282%2529-730661.jpg

[Edited 2012-08-20 21:22:28]


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2):
Per Areopagus: yes. Raked wingtips are slightly more efficient than winglets,

Although minor, the rake wingtip does not obstruct the view of the observer as much as the blended winglet. When differences in performances are small, these minor items can tilt you decision one way or the other.

bt



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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7154 times:

It surprised me a little. I knew raked tips were more efficient at cruise, but I had the idea the P8 would be spending a lot of time at relatively low speed loiter. I guess getting to and from station is more of a factor. One of the things that makes the P-8 so much more useful than a P-3 in a world with fewer bases.


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2011 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 6):
but I had the idea the P8 would be spending a lot of time at relatively low speed loiter.

With all the sensors involved now-a-day, you can cover more area (because of curvature of the earth) if you are higher up.

Weapons like depth bombs and torpedoes will be evaluated for high altitude drops. Guess the only time when you want to drop down on the deck would be if you want to get an eye ball on something or drop a survival kit to someone in the water.

bt



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12061 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

The P-8A/I also uses the B-737-900ER wing, as opposed to the B-737-800 wing, which holds less fuel. There are also hard points on the wings and a bomb bay aft of the wing that commerical B-737s don't have.

User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1333 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

If you look at the link in the second post one of the official reasons for the raked wingtips is ice - the raked tips will be anti-iced and the standard blended winglets are not.

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