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F-5's Still Flying In The U.S. Who Operates?  
User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 99 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

I at the spotter's area at KAUS, I saw 4 F-5's takeoff on 17L. They looked like they were desert camouflage painted; anyone have an idea who still operates them in the U.S, and who'd be flying them into KAUS?

(For what it matters, there were also two C-130's, although they taxied over to 17L from the transient ramp by 17R. Even though the F-5's taxied in from the FBO ramp by 35R, any chance maybe they are related?

Thanks!


KAUST


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User currently offlinemjgbtv From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8304 times:

The Navy has a couple of adversary squadrons flying them. Some of these were in BTV for a few days a couple of years ago. Is there a unit in the area that they might be training with?

Marty


User currently offlinemechatnew From United States of America, joined May 2005, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

They are 44 F-5s {41 F-5Ns and 3 F-5Fs] in US military servive. 2 Navy units VFC-13 at NAS Fallon, NV. VFC-111 at NAS Key West, FL. One USMC unit VMFT-401 at MCAS Yuma, AZ.

User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 99 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

Quoting mjgbtv (Reply 1):
The Navy has a couple of adversary squadrons flying them. Some of these were in BTV for a few days a couple of years ago. Is there a unit in the area that they might be training with?

Not so sure, as we are 4 hours inland, however, there is a USN Air Base in Corpus Christi, so maybe it was a cross-country? Just guessing.

I do know we get the occasional NASA T-38's out of Ellington Field, as a cross country. So maybe that?


KAUST



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 8136 times:

Boeing has some T-38s, but I don't think they're in desert camo and probably aren't the ones you saw. I want to say a handful (if that) found their way into private hands as well, but I doubt four of them would all be together.


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2841 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting KAUST (Thread starter):

I at the spotter's area at KAUS, I saw 4 F-5's takeoff on 17L. They looked like they were desert camouflage painted; anyone have an idea who still operates them in the U.S, and who'd be flying them into KAUS?

Did they look like this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbn/7717412550/in/photostream/

There were a couple USAF Talons in Seattle for the SeaFair air show a couple weeks ago.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Maybe some of these:

Norway Is Selling 15 F5 Freedom Fighters To The US (by Mortyman Jan 15 2008 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)


User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

There are three squadrons flying the F-5E for the Navy/Marine Corps. VFC-13 at NAS Fallon, VFC-111 at NAS Key West, and VMAT-401 at MCAS Yuma. They act as aggressors for Dissimilar Air Combat Training.


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User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 99 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
Boeing has some T-38s, but I don't think they're in desert camo and probably aren't the ones you saw. I want to say a handful (if that) found their way into private hands as well, but I doubt four of them would all be together.
Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 5):
Did they look like this?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lbn/7717412550/in/photostream/

There were a couple USAF Talons in Seattle for the SeaFair air show a couple weeks ago.

No, it was most distinguishably F-5's. Single-seat and had the harder lines as opposed to the sleeker lines of the T-38. Maybe some private hands-owned F-5's have been rehearsing for an airshow? Although, the presence of the two 'Herks' leads me to believe there might something military related, unless of course it was just a coincidence. Do any national guards fly them, maybe?


KAUST



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User currently offlineNBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 826 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting KAUST (Reply 8):
Do any national guards fly them, maybe?

See my post above

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 7):
There are three squadrons flying the F-5E for the Navy/Marine Corps. VFC-13 at NAS Fallon, VFC-111 at NAS Key West, and VMAT-401 at MCAS Yuma. They act as aggressors for Dissimilar Air Combat Training.

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User currently offlineHercPPMX From United States of America, joined May 2008, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

Quoting KAUST (Thread starter):
I at the spotter's area at KAUS, I saw 4 F-5's takeoff on 17L. They looked like they were desert camouflage painted; anyone have an idea who still operates them in the U.S, and who'd be flying them into KAUS?

Answer:

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 7):
They act as aggressors for Dissimilar Air Combat Training.
Quoting KAUST (Reply 8):
Although, the presence of the two 'Herks' leads me to believe there might something military related, unless of course it was just a coincidence.

There are a very limited number of aggressor squadrons, so sometimes it's easier for the aggressors to send small detachments of 2-6 planes to a squadron for training rather than a squadron of 12 planes coming to them.

As for the "herks" you saw. I'd say they were moving personnel, parts, spares for the F-5's, or KC-130's could also be "dragging/tanking" the planes you saw. (Using inflight refueling rather then the F-5's landing every hour of two.)



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2439 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 6):

Swiss F-5 have also been sold to the U.S. for dissimilar fighter training.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5 :

Quote:
The U.S. Navy F-5 fleet continues to be modernized with 36 low-hour F-5E/Fs purchased from Switzerland in 2006. These were updated as F-5N/Fs with modernized avionics and other improved systems. Currently, the only U.S. Navy units flying the F-5 are VFC-13 at NAS Fallon, Nevada and VFC-111 at NAS Key West, Florida.[4] Currently, VFC-111 operates 18 Northrop F-5N/F Tiger-IIs, of which 17 are single-seater F-5Ns and the remainder being a twin-seater F-5F, which was dubbed "FrankenTiger" and is one of only three in service with the USN, being a product of grafting the older front half fuselage of the F-5Fs into the back half fuselage of the newer low-hours F-5Es acquired from the Swiss Air Force.

David



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User currently offline787atPAE From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 143 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Anybody know if F-5s or T-38s were at KSAV with the F-22s the past month? Everytime I saw the F-22s take off, I'd see the F-5s/T-38s follow shortly thereafter. I'd assume to play wargames over the Atlantic.

User currently offlinemechatnew From United States of America, joined May 2005, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

They were T-38s. All of the F-22 Fighter Wings except the one based in Alaska have a small number of T-38s to provide dissimilar air combat training.

User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

I have gone to Switzerland and picked up an F5 for the USN. They have a special aluminum skid the mount the plane to with the wings and tailplanes off and stored underneath. Then the whole thing slides into a C-130. We then flew them to FL for refurbishing.

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