KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5286 posts, RR: 3 Posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4974 times:
It doesn't look like anyone has posted this but the second aircraft is to be completed, it appears that the customer is the Russian Airforce, in the linked article it speculates about additional frames.
sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1552 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
When the last C17 rolls off FAL, is there any other heavy air transport being made now? No forget the A400M, I said heavy transport. There must come a time when C5,AN124 and C17s are getting so worn and expensive to maintain that a new air lifter makes sense, but who would step up to the plate? Up 150t like the AN124 manages would be a goal.
Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2624 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
I'll believe that when I see it. Haven't we heard musings about this more than once in the recent past?
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KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
What possible use would the Russian Air Force have for this? They've got fleets of IL-76s and plenty of AN-124s already. I suspect, if this is true, that it's more for prestige than for operational necessity.
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 3): When the last C17 rolls off FAL, is there any other heavy air transport being made now? No forget the A400M, I said heavy transport. There must come a time when C5,AN124 and C17s are getting so worn and expensive to maintain that a new air lifter makes sense, but who would step up to the plate? Up 150t like the AN124 manages would be a goal.
There is supposedly a plan to manufacture an updated An-124. Of course that's happened a couple of time before, but without result.
But I'm sure Boeing, Antonov or Airbus would be perfectly capable of building the next big military airlifter 20 years from now when all the C-17s start wearing out.
About 20. Of which 5 are airworthy and half the others haven't flown in over 10-15 years. Maybe they decided that buying a new An-225 is better than refurbishing some older 124s...
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4983 times:
Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.
KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8): Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.
I was reading some stats on the IL-76D-90.. seems like a half-way decent plane. The only thing that looks to be limiting its usefulness is the narrow fuselage. Very C-141-esqe. There doesn't seem to be a suitable middle-ground between the IL-76 and AN-124 (like the C-17 in comparison to the old C-141 and the C-5).
That's what I was thinking too. Looks like there's a lot archeology that's going to need to happen to clean that up, but overall, I think it's quite workable. What really says all that to me is the fact that there are few if any subassy's fixed to that frame. It really is just a hulk at this point, which to me, means that it should be very useful conducive to further assembly.
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Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8): Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.
Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?
KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15): Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?
I think its like the TD-90 but with modern avionics and probably a reduced crew requirement as a result.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15): Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16): I think its like the TD-90 but with modern avionics and probably a reduced crew requirement as a result.
My understanding as well. Gone are the steam-powered flight instruments and in is the glass cockpit. Probably most flights can/will be done with 2 cockpit crew and a loadmaster. Longer-ranged flights will likely take a 3rd cockpit crew and an additional loadmaster/mechanic.
I believe PS90 engines will be used - are these OK in the West for Stage 3 compliance ?
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17): I believe PS90 engines will be used - are these OK in the West for Stage 3 compliance ?
Not sure, but Volga-Dnepr brought a PS90 Il-76 into LAX a couple years back so I think they're better than whatever used to be hung underneath them at least, and the engine is used on the Tu-204 and Il-96 which operate into Europe on an occasional basis IIRC.
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