yvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 263 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9120 times:
I was watching a news segment about possible UFO sightings in the Denver, CO area. The story was about if FAA saw this on their screens As I was watching, they showed a radar blip at 2:17 which in the center of the screen it shows "AIR 1" as an aircraft identifier. IT appears as though this was file footage, because the runway picture does not line up with DEN, maybe ATL?
web500sjc From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9132 times:
Quoting CaptSkibi (Reply 2): It also must be handled by a supervisor, presumably to eliminate errors.
So the rest of us a cannon fodder who can be handled by those a bit more error prone?
i men i realize whenever AF1 goes into an airport, th Airport is essentially shut down, but they really have to have a supervisor control AF1 when any of the people who normally work the position should be more than capable?
Air Force One can be worked by regular rank and file controllers. Naturally, several people including a supervisor will be standing behind him/her.
I'm not sure if Air Force One is treated differently in the real world as far as datablocks go, but at the academy, we use the standard prefixes for military aircraft. (ex. "A" for 'Air Force', "VV" for 'Navy', "R" for 'Army' etc.) Using this logic Air Force One would appear as "A1" in a datablock.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9130 times:
Quoting yvphx (Thread starter): I checked Wikipedia, and it said the owner of "AIR" Air lift International which ceased operations in 1999
Is this Air Force 1? What does AF1 look like on radar screens? This was just something I saw that stood out like a sore thumb to me.
Any info would help!
I do not have a date the image was filmed, but it was added to CNN on Nov 13, 2012.
Volusia County Sheriff (Daytona Beach) helicopters used to use the call sign Air 1. I think a Medical Helicopter company also uses that call sign in Florida. This might have been a Medivac chopper or Sheriff helicopter
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9130 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 6): I've seen them fly into JFK on a many occasions with the VC-25, and whenever I was listening on the scanner, both tower and the flight crew used "Air Force 1 Heavy" as a call sign.
Sorry, but the U.S. controller workforce and supervisors have been weal trained in the use of the AF1 call sign.............in whatever type of aircraft the POTUS is flying. The phrase "HEAVY" is not supposed to be used regardless of the aircraft type.
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8): Volusia County Sheriff (Daytona Beach) helicopters used to use the call sign Air 1. I think a Medical Helicopter company also uses that call sign in Florida
And your point? Locally used VFR call signs are simply that, locally used VFR call signs. Nothing more, nothing less.
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2576 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9130 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 14): Quoting F9Fan (Reply 13):
Was their another plane nearby? I know they like to clear the airspace around AF1, and they also like to fly its twin with it both for security and a backup.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12238 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9130 times:
Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 7): Quoting moose135 (Reply 6):both tower and the flight crew used "Air Force 1 Heavy" as a call sign.
That's a no-no. The 7110 states not to use heavy.
Correct. No matter what airplane type is used for AF-1, it has blocked airspace all around it, that is in excess of any requirement for following a heavy jet. So, the "Heavy" designation attached to the call sign is not needed.
There are 2 identical VC-25s that POTUS will normally use as AF-1. When POTUS travels the 2nd VC-25 is deployed as well. Recently when President Obama was at Ft Bliss, TX (near ELP) I saw the other VC-25 at ABQ parked on the ramp of Kirtland AFB.
Pygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 972 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8533 times:
It is true though that 3 Marine helicopters fly when ever the POTUS is flying in Marine 1. Marine 1 and two more identical helicopters. They fly in formation and its not until Marine 1 lands on the lawn that you can tell which one is actually Marine One.
737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8109 times:
Quoting n92r03 (Reply 23): Not true. Only overseas trips get both VC-25's and a slew of others as well. I'm not saying you did not see both, but both do not "always" travel together.
I never said that they were together. What I said was that when President Obama was at Ft Bliss TX, next door to ELP, I saw the 2nd VC-25 at Kirkland AFB, which is Albuquerque NM. So even domestically both VC-25s will leave Andrews. One, as AF1, will carry POTUS to his destination and the other will be a relatively short flight away.