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President Obama's Asia Trip  
User currently offlinewahdadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5049 times:

I was wondering what route will he take once he takes off from the east coast.

Will he continue east or go west? fuel stops?

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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5062 times:

No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground.

[Edited 2012-11-17 05:24:04]


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7485 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground



Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.



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User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

Interesting! Didn't know that.



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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5062 times:

On a usual Asia trip he stops at one of the Air Force Base's in Alaska, typically Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.


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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5062 times:

But I can CONFIRM on this trip he is stopping in Germany for fuel.


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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5061 times:
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Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?

User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?

Can't tell if sarcasm or not, but no, he's working right through. Lands very late at Andrews and pardon's a turkey Wednesday.



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User currently offlinewahdadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting plateman (Reply 7):

very true.


User currently offlinewahdadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Another question... does AF1 (yes i know AF1 is any aircraft with the president onboard) fly at typically higher altitudes?

User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5058 times:
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Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

While the VC-25s have probably not ever been air-to-air refueled with the president on board (or likely on any operational mission), they've certainly done it in test and training.

[Edited 2012-11-18 00:49:40]

User currently offlinewahdadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2105 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

bt



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5386 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 12):


Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

A-10s have the receptacle in front of the pilot as does the B-1.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting wahdadli (Reply 11):
So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?

I'd guess that she's on a C-32 (757), although I have seen pics of her travelling on a C-17 with interior mods.

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

Marc

[Edited 2012-11-20 19:08:41]

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4458 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 15):
How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Using Google Earth, I figure it to be some 3358.07 miles on a heading of 296 from Burma (which is where I believe where Hillary left from) to TLV. That's a straight line flight which would take it over such countries as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, etc...countries that we might be hesitant to fly our VIP's over.

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.

Marc


User currently offlinewahdadli From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Dec 2007, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

I think She took the c-32



User currently offlinedkswim From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm

User currently offlinepaparadzi From Malaysia, joined Jan 2005, 202 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

In Cambodia the Air Force One is parked next to other executive B747s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/paparadzi/Aircraft/2012/Tails_PNH.jpg



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

I got a chance to see Air Force One depart out of Don Mueang Monday morning.


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4458 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Not my point, the second VC25 is a back up for the first when it's operating as AF1.


So it can't be a back up for anything else.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2105 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.
Quoting dkswim (Reply 18):
c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm

They could have easily refuel in QATAR if needed.

bt



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