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Burma Spitfires Found!  
User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

I've just heard on the BBC news that the British farmer, David Cundall, has found the 36 brand new crated MkXIV Spitfires buried by the RAF in Burma at the end of the second world war. What a modern treasure hunt story!

Here's the background story to today's news...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Spitfires-buried-jungle-grave.html

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

This is wonderful news.

What can I say?

Thank you Burma/Myanmar for preserving these Spitfires - even so unwillingly!

     



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

So who legally owns them at this point? I presume Myanmar, but from the article it would appear they will give them back, probably for some kind of fee. But would the UK government claim them or will this gentleman, Mr. Cundall, have unfettered claim to the prize as the finder?


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User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6753 times:

More importantly, what condition are they in. I'm expecting a corroded mass in rotten buried crates, but I'm prepared to be surprised.


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3883 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting redflyer (Reply 2):

So who legally owns them at this point? I presume Myanmar, but from the article it would appear they will give them back, probably for some kind of fee. But would the UK government claim them or will this gentleman, Mr. Cundall, have unfettered claim to the prize as the finder?

The deal is apparently that Burma get half of the recovered aircraft to sell, and as for the ownership issue, it could easily be argued that the British Government abandoned them when they failed to recover them and then lost all knowledge of their location - and that ignores any transfer of ownership that may have occured when they were shipped to Burma in the first place (hence they may have been owned by the Burmese Government in the first place).


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 4):
they may have been owned by the Burmese Government in the first place

There was no Burmese Government until 1948.

In 1945 when the planes were presumably shipped - it was a British colony.

However, I agree the British would have lost title to them as abandoned war materials and abandoned colonial possesions when Burma became an independent nation in 1948.

Unlike most former British colonies - Burma did not join the commonwealth.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3402 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6501 times:
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Wasn't all this discussed months ago under a thread with an ambiguous title.. like PM goes to Myanmar?

User currently offlinetmoney From Myanmar, joined Nov 2011, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

According to BBC they are as good as new. But knowing Burma's weather all too well I wouldn't be surprised.

link with vid: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20532791

The Brits (and the Burmese) always had a record of where they were buried. Actually the location was quite public to anyone curious enough. My grandfather was a Spitfire pilot in the Burmese airforce back in the day and a couple American warbird enthusiasts have approached him to help them recover. But it was when Burma under Snr General Than Shwe so things were harder.

Now with the sales the money is going to my gov (and it's big money!) so I really do pray that ₤₤₤ don't get used to feed the white elephant of the current capital or some former-general-turned-civilian gov guy importing new Lambos.


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

According to today's Telegraph they've put a camera down and seen an aircraft.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...e-flying-again-in-three-years.html


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5965 times:
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Quoting kanban (Reply 6):
Wasn't all this discussed months ago under a thread with an ambiguous title.. like PM goes to Myanmar?

That thread focused on the PM discussing the Myanar Govt allowing the English prospector that permission to excavate the Spits. he had previously located them but was unable to get permits to excavate and export them.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8795 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Thread starter):
36 brand new crated MkXIV Spitfires

Very cool. The Mark XIV was a great plane - equal to the P-51D at least (although shorter legs). Finding 36 that could be made flyable would be a great prize. According to this web site, there are currently only 5 flyable Mark XIVs still around

http://www.deroeck.co.uk/Spitfire-Story-01.html

Sadly, only a single Mark I Spitfire (the one that fought the Battle of Britain) is still flying.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3883 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
Sadly, only a single Mark I Spitfire (the one that fought the Battle of Britain) is still flying.

Just a quick note to say that the MkII did indeed take part in the BoB as a few frontline squadrons were equipped with them in August and September 1940, with the bulk of the marks deliveries coming afterward.


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Feels like the search and salvage of these planes can become a very interesting book sometime in the future.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13170 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
ust a quick note to say that the MkII did indeed take part in the BoB as a few frontline squadrons were equipped with them in August and September 1940, with the bulk of the marks deliveries coming afterward.

Indeed;

http://www.sirkeithpark.com/media/SK...OfPilotsAndHistoriesOfAircraft.pdf

And as noted, there is a Battle Of Britain veteran Hurricane flying now too. Even more impressively with 5 enemy aircraft kills to it's credit.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

I remember having read about ten years ago about some fishermen off the Australian coast, who´s nets snagged on boxes filled with F4U Corsairs and other US made fighters, which got dumped there after WW2, still in their shipping crates, covered with corrosion preventive compound. Later divers went down there to investigate. The aircraft have apparently been dumped there due to the rules of the lend-lease agreement, which stipulated that at the end of the hostilities, Britain and her dependents had either to buy the hardware (not possible, no cash), return it to the US (the US didn´t want it back, they had enough planes of their own) or to destroy it.
From what I remember, the Australian military and government declared the area off limits and banned any recovery operation.
I understand that suddenly having a few dozen perfect condition warbirds coming on the market would really destroy the value of the existing and restored aircraft, so I think their owners were quite happy (and maybe involved in this decision).

Jan


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