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Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'  
User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

According to reports by the BBC, Iran has announced that it has captured a Boeing ScanEagle drone that infringed its airspace on multiple occasions.

Video footage provided: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20591336

US Navy reports that it has no unaccounted UAS in the region.

Video shows a ScanEagle in pretty good condition for either crash landing or shot down, maybe this just a prop? Whilst the US would obviously deny any airspace infringement, they did claim the RQ-170 that surfaced in Iran a year ago - attributing it to technical difficulties close to the border.

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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

It doesn't mean this is a USN drone. The UAE operates some, too.

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

[i]"Rear Adm Fadavi said that "such drones are usually launched from large warships".[/]

He should really double check his talking points. The Scan Eagle was designed to operate from fishing trawlers and can be launched and captured from a small trailer towed by a good size truck.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The UAE operates some, too.

Do they own it or just lease the service from Boeing?

I believe Australia also are operating Scan Eagle. Are there any Australia war ships in the area?

If the lost UAV was a leased plane . . . I wonder if the insurance company will send out a team to get it back? 

bt



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Same day last year the RQ-170 US stealth drone was captured by Iran.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/213765.html

   

Now this...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20591336

What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

  



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

Trojan horse!

They'd get plenty of information if the drone was still transmitting during recovery efforts.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 4):
They'd get plenty of information if the drone was still transmitting during recovery efforts.

They give it rigged with hidden transmitters so they can spy into iranian reverse engineering weapons labs.
The US can see where all the devices are

  

(just speculating)



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4857 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 2):

He should really double check his talking points. The Scan Eagle was designed to operate from fishing trawlers and can be launched and captured from a small trailer towed by a good size truck.

Precisely. There are numerous civillian Scan Eagles in use in the world. What is to stop Iran (probably using a puppet corporation) buying one second hand, painting it low viz grey with some stars on it and calling it a captured down US drone? The pictures I have seen don't show any obvious damage, but there is no reason the Iranians couldn't have orchestrated a forced landing to make it look even better for the cameras.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

Been there, done that. Getting it there just took a flash drive and/or laptop apparently.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Quoting GST (Reply 6):
What is to stop Iran (probably using a puppet corporation) buying one second hand

Although the Scan Eagle are used for Civil applications, the usage and control of which is tightly controlled by Boeing. So it is un-likely that Iran could get their hands on a copy, or even drawings.

Now if you said China or Russia provided them with the blue prints stolen from Boeing, then that is more plausible.

At it's heart, the Scan Eagle should have much highly sensitive hardware on it - other than perhaps any encryption devices that protect the communication link with the operator.


bt



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4743 times:

This is now denied by the US

US Navy says no drones missing in Middle East after Iran claims it has captured one

EHRAN, Iran – A U.S. Navy spokesman is discrediting Iran's claim Tehran captured a U.S. drone, saying no drones are missing in the Middle East.
The spokesman tells Fox News all U.S. drones have been accounted for in the area. Iran's state TV claimed Tuesday the country had captured a drone it says entered its airspace over the Persian Gulf.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...-it-has-captured-another-us-drone/

 

The UAE and Iran are long time business partners and rather on friendly terms. I don't see why Iran would have knocked down or captured a UAE drone and I don't see why a UAE drone would go flying over Iran territorial waters/ground.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4724 times:
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No offense to Iran but even if they did shoot it down, this isn't a huge thing IMO. When I heard drone down I figured it would be a predator or a global hawk. A ScanEagle? C'mon, It's sophisticated and all but I can't figure there is a ton of sensitive information in a $100,000 drone.
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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 883 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4709 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 10):
No offense to Iran but even if they did shoot it down, this isn't a huge thing IMO. When I heard drone down I figured it would be a predator or a global hawk. A ScanEagle? C'mon, It's sophisticated and all but I can't figure there is a ton of sensitive information in a $100,000 drone.

The ScanEagle, on a spectrum from GlobalHawk down to Model Airplane, falls a lot closer to the model airplane end.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

You can capture a Scan Eagle without having to shoot it down . . . it involves a long cable and a balloon

 

bt



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User currently offlineyyzala From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

This is why there will never be a drone fighter jet. Spoofing or jamming the signal is not rocket science. With Russians more than likely behind this, more drones will be lost.

User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2153 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

Quoting yyzala (Reply 13):
With Russians more than likely behind this, more drones will be lost.

I was surprised that the Navy said that they already lost several Scan Eagle in the see (although none recently).

I guess that the benefit of using "inexpensive" drones, you can afford to lose them.


From the Wall Street Journal:

More than 1,600 have been sold to governments for defense operations and for civilian applications—including helping commercial fishing vessels locate schools of fish—according to Insitu Inc."

I am also surprised they built and sold that many!!! So, in theory, it may be easier to get your hands on one than I thouth.

bt

[Edited 2012-12-05 06:41:31]


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User currently offlinelegs From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 8):
other than perhaps any encryption devices that protect the communication link with the operator.

Agreed, and I imagine that any actual encryption keys or similar would be pretty easily zeroed, either automatically or by the operator.


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