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YAL 1 Programme  
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7573 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/specialairmission/a/yal1laser.htm

I have not heard anything about the YAL since last year.

Is the prototype still flying?.

Also is the programme continuing, and has the technology been applied to other uses.

Many thanks.

David

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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2434 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Program killed. Prototype in storage.

http://www.airborne-laser.com/



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Here she is in the boneyard.




[Edited 2012-12-08 16:50:08]

User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Many thanks.

Hopefully they will find a new use for this aircraft.

However, as a one off, and the USAF not having any other B747-400F derived aircraft, it is not sounding good.

They could give it to a Museum. However, given that it was not a success, I suspect that parting, followed by the axe is more likely.

David


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
Hopefully they will find a new use for this aircraft.

I say we just keep it around so we can still say we're the only country in the world to possess a 747-based laser-plane, whether or not we actually use it for anything is immaterial.

[joke.]


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 3):
However, as a one off, and the USAF not having any other B747-400F derived aircraft, it is not sounding good.

The airframe was heavily modified to accept the laser system and turret... other than some parts... it is a unique aircraft.

Now... where could a extremely low cycle, one off 747 be useful. My first thought would be a SOFIA replacement. Maybe with some work the laser turret could be used somehow...


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3926 times:

The YAL-1A proved itself effective against both solid fueled and liquid fueled missiles and was successful in shooting them down. It was cancelled so the money could be used for "other things".  


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13195 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Quote from Defence Secretary Gates, sourced from Wikipedia;

Secretary of Defense Gates said that "I don't know anybody at the Department of Defense, Mr. Tiahrt, who thinks that this program should, or would, ever be operationally deployed. The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now to be able to get any distance from the launch site to fire."
"So, right now the ABL would have to orbit inside the borders of Iran in order to be able to try and use its laser to shoot down that missile in the boost phase. And if you were to operationalize this you would be looking at 10 to 20 747s, at a billion and a half dollars apiece, and $100 million a year to operate. And there's nobody in uniform that I know who believes that this is a workable concept."[18]
The Air Force did not request further funds for the Airborne Laser for 2010; Air Force Chief Schwartz has said that the system "does not reflect something that is operationally viable."[19][20] In December 2011, it was reported that the project was to be ended after 16 years of development and a cost of over $5 billion.[21]


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4472 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 7):


Secretary of Defense Gates said that "I don't know anybody at the Department of Defense, Mr. Tiahrt, who thinks that this program should, or would, ever be operationally deployed. The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now to be able to get any distance from the launch site to fire."
"So, right now the ABL would have to orbit inside the borders of Iran in order to be able to try and use its laser to shoot down that missile in the boost phase. And if you were to operationalize this you would be looking at 10 to 20 747s, at a billion and a half dollars apiece, and $100 million a year to operate. And there's nobody in uniform that I know who believes that this is a workable concept."[18]
The Air Force did not request further funds for the Airborne Laser for 2010; Air Force Chief Schwartz has said that the system "does not reflect something that is operationally viable."[19][20] In December 2011, it was reported that the project was to be ended after 16 years of development and a cost of over $5 billion.[21]

Well, ok,



But it was waay cool..



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

The YAL-1A is in flyable storage. It could be used sometime in the future for a more mature laser program, or another program, both after the airframe is modified. She is a very young airframe, built in 2000, IIRC, and only flown on weekends by little old ladies to church (LOL). But in reality she has less than 2000 hours on her and maybe 50 cycles. If and when she comes out of storage, she will need a full heavy phase inspection (equal to a "D" inspection). This will probibly be done by Boeing and NG, the two prime contractors on the program as they know the airplane best and as stated the USAF doesn't fly the B-747-400F. In fact, the 6 B-747s the USAF does have (E-4B and VC-25A), Boeing does all 3 types of phase inspections on them.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

The fact it is maintained in fly able storage is the one thing that gives me any indication that it may be used agin.

When they finally take the engines off that it when it will never fly again



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User currently offlinehumanitarian From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

The airframe and engines have 1043 hrs and 250 cycles. According to the AF the aircraft was placed in permanent storage.

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