fly828 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
Honestly, even if it did get benefit from it's intelligent capability, it's still nothing shame but a great achievement for Chinese aviation industry. Let's be honest, either USSR or USA, who wasn't interested to steal technology from each other through their own spying act? MIG 15 vs F86, Concord vs Tu-144,VC-10 vs Il-62.....,this is the game played always in that way. It's just the matter now china becomes a player more and more apparently. It does not matter we like the fact or not, it's happening. We here often blame Chinese as a copy car of anything, but the other side is you have to respect Chinese has strong and even super capability in its very balanced industrial base and solid education base in science and engineering to support------when they produce something like airplane, we blame them copy cat, when they have world' no 1 dam, we blame them destroying environment, when they have the world's #1 high speed network completed in the shortest time period, we blame something else.....but never fairly admit their achievement in the matter itself.
The Y-20 is at it's very early stage as the project, the Chinese government is openly announcing spending billions of dollar to conquer the engine challenge, that is, to develop a reliable new engine to power it's large aircrafts. D30 is just a temporary solution before the new home developed engine gets certified. Eventually, Y-20 will be stretched in length to be more capable as well.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7157 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 5):
I know they are blurry pictures, but from here it seems they are using the Il-76's D30 engines on it.
You appear to be correct. It would be interesting to see fuselage dimensions, however it certainly appears to be a derivative of their Y-8/AN-12 projects (Y-8 is still in production, 2 were just delivered to Venezuela). Almost like they mixed an AN-12 with an IL-76.
To be clear, I was just thinking the nose looks like their AN-12 knockoff. I saw rough drawings later today suggesting that the fuselage was IL-76 length but wider, sorta fitting in the C-2 to A-400M size sweet spot. I think we will see better pics pretty soon, if the J-31 is any indication.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6814 times:
I don't think it looks like a C-17, more like an An-70 with jets.
And it's not like there's a wide choice of design options when it comes to military airlifters with rough field capability.
The basic design is always the same: high wing, negative dihedral, T-tail, landing gear in pods, rear ramp, etc...
I am guessing there was some help from russian or ukranian manufacturers.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
neutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6198 times:
Transport aircraft really can't be to different in design, although I'm sure China copied many elements of both US and Rus aircraft. You could design an airplane to load a tank from the side and be completely different from established designs, but why?