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China's New Y-20 Pictures On Internet  
User currently offlinefly828 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 14 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10282 times:
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China's new Y-20 plane has a few pics leaked on a Chinese forum, see link: http://bbs.wforum.com/wmf/bbsviewer.php?trd_id=202954

it will serve the similar role as C-17 and IL-76, waiting for more clearer pictures to see the detail.

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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10082 times:

Y-20 is taking low speed taxi test now. It will take its first flight soon.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

Certainly looks like a C-17 planform. Not sure about the size, but seems comparable. Compliments to the Chinese intelligence community.


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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9552 times:

Looks more like a underpowered jet A400M to me.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2):
Compliments to the Chinese intelligence community.

A military transport with a big fuselage, a high wing and tail, and four engines. Yes, the Chinese could never have come up with that concept on their own  



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User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2276 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

I'd wager they could come up with it on their own. But I seriously doubt they did.

User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9524 times:

I know they are blurry pictures, but from here it seems they are using the Il-76's D30 engines on it.

User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9454 times:
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Looks to me like a C-17 with the nose of an An-70 grafted on. Can't wait to see clearer pictures.

User currently offlinefly828 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9329 times:
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Honestly, even if it did get benefit from it's intelligent capability, it's still nothing shame but a great achievement for Chinese aviation industry. Let's be honest, either USSR or USA, who wasn't interested to steal technology from each other through their own spying act? MIG 15 vs F86, Concord vs Tu-144,VC-10 vs Il-62.....,this is the game played always in that way. It's just the matter now china becomes a player more and more apparently. It does not matter we like the fact or not, it's happening. We here often blame Chinese as a copy car of anything, but the other side is you have to respect Chinese has strong and even super capability in its very balanced industrial base and solid education base in science and engineering to support------when they produce something like airplane, we blame them copy cat, when they have world' no 1 dam, we blame them destroying environment, when they have the world's #1 high speed network completed in the shortest time period, we blame something else.....but never fairly admit their achievement in the matter itself.

The Y-20 is at it's very early stage as the project, the Chinese government is openly announcing spending billions of dollar to conquer the engine challenge, that is, to develop a reliable new engine to power it's large aircrafts. D30 is just a temporary solution before the new home developed engine gets certified. Eventually, Y-20 will be stretched in length to be more capable as well.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 5):
I know they are blurry pictures, but from here it seems they are using the Il-76's D30 engines on it.

It is D30 indeed. They may also use PS90 in the future.


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 5):

I know they are blurry pictures, but from here it seems they are using the Il-76's D30 engines on it.

You appear to be correct. It would be interesting to see fuselage dimensions, however it certainly appears to be a derivative of their Y-8/AN-12 projects (Y-8 is still in production, 2 were just delivered to Venezuela). Almost like they mixed an AN-12 with an IL-76.



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Quoting fly828 (Reply 7):
who wasn't interested to steal technology from each other through their own spying act? MIG 15 vs F86, Concord vs Tu-144,VC-10 vs Il-62....

Of course there's espionage, but that doesn't mean these aircraft were copies of each other in any meaningful way.

The Y-20 has a very conventional configuration for an airlifter and it's clearly in a different class than the C-17 - Spacepope even suggests it's only An-12 size.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2933 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 10):

To be clear, I was just thinking the nose looks like their AN-12 knockoff. I saw rough drawings later today suggesting that the fuselage was IL-76 length but wider, sorta fitting in the C-2 to A-400M size sweet spot. I think we will see better pics pretty soon, if the J-31 is any indication.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

I don't think it looks like a C-17, more like an An-70 with jets.

And it's not like there's a wide choice of design options when it comes to military airlifters with rough field capability.
The basic design is always the same: high wing, negative dihedral, T-tail, landing gear in pods, rear ramp, etc...

I am guessing there was some help from russian or ukranian manufacturers.



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 12):
I am guessing there was some help from russian or ukranian manufacturers.

China aviation industrial group acquired a team of Antonov experts. And the previous model of Y-20 is largely based on An-70. But the current model is modified a lot.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 13):

Thanks!

I was right about the antonov genes then..
Is it the size of an AN-70?



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 14):
Thanks!

I was right about the antonov genes then..
Is it the size of an AN-70?

There is a rumor says actually Y-20 is An70-600 Jets. The frame is based on An70-600, but the engines are D30/PS90.


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 15):
There is a rumor says actually Y-20 is An70-600 Jets

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Photo © Vyacheslav Smigunov



That seems to make sense, for Antonov too.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 15):
There is a rumor says actually Y-20 is An70-600 Jets. The frame is based on An70-600, but the engines are D30/PS90.

Which was mentioned by GlobalSecurity.org some time ago.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/y-xx-antonov.htm


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8184 times:

That ought to be a nice freighter. Can't wait for clearer pictures of it.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

Capacity is suppose to be 60 tonnes, about half way between the 37 tonne A-400M and the 77.5 tonne C-17A.

Here is what wiki says about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-20


User currently offlineneutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

Transport aircraft really can't be to different in design, although I'm sure China copied many elements of both US and Rus aircraft. You could design an airplane to load a tank from the side and be completely different from established designs, but why?

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

I prefer to compare gross weights.

C-130J: 79 tonnes
A400M: 141 tonnes
An-70: 145 tonnes
Il-76 with D30 engines: 170 tonnes
Il-76 with PS-90 engines: 195 tonnes
C-17: 265 tonnes

[Edited 2012-12-27 14:14:21]


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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7732 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 3):
A military transport with a big fuselage, a high wing and tail, and four engines. Yes, the Chinese could never have come up with that concept on their own

Hey, you know what they say... imitation is the highest form of flattery!   



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7723 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 22):
Hey, you know what they say... imitation is the highest form of flattery!   

And, go the way of the U.S., leave U.S. no way to go.  


User currently offlinegeekydude From China, joined Apr 2004, 401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

The fat bird has taken off.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f0d_1359210930



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25 francoflier : Yeah. Okay. That doesn't look much like an An-70 after all. I eat my words...
26 Post contains links alberchico : Here's the best pic so far: http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...p?attachmentid=211758&d=1359274330 http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758378.sht
27 Post contains images kaneporta1 : Is it me or this thing looks like a 4-engine version of the Kawasaki C-2?
28 breiz : From the video, it looks that upon landing the horizontal tailplane oscillates around its connection to the fin. Am I right, and if yes, is that norma
29 fly828 : C-2 does not look like Y-20 that much to me, after all C-2 is only capable of 37 tons' payload while Y-20 has 66 tons, according to Chinese official d
30 Aesma : Well, we'll see if it has that much capability when a tank will be flying in it. What China's and Russia's industries lack the most are competitive en
31 sprout5199 : I would disagree, the Mig 15 was a shock to the US, I don't think there was any copying involved, with the exception of the British engines. The VC=1
32 Acheron : Hardly. Thing is, for every thing USA or the Soviets copied from each other, there were dozens of original designs, solutions and materials, unlike C
33 francoflier : Yes, definitely the offspring of a forbidden encounter between a C-17 and an Il-76... It does look familiar indeed. There is some of the 'form follow
34 fly828 : 'It does look familiar indeed. There is some of the 'form follows function' to that, and I also believe that the C-2 borrowed some design cues from th
35 Post contains links and images dlednicer : This photo got accepted today: View Large View MediumPhoto © goneless
36 seahawk : It is a nice design, it just needs better engines.
37 Acheron : The F-2 is a copy/derivative of the F-16. The LCA is a completely different matter. Thing is, unlike China, neither Japan nor India go around trying
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