ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 20 Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
Looks more like a underpowered jet A400M to me.
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2): Compliments to the Chinese intelligence community.
A military transport with a big fuselage, a high wing and tail, and four engines. Yes, the Chinese could never have come up with that concept on their own
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fly828 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7394 times:
Honestly, even if it did get benefit from it's intelligent capability, it's still nothing shame but a great achievement for Chinese aviation industry. Let's be honest, either USSR or USA, who wasn't interested to steal technology from each other through their own spying act? MIG 15 vs F86, Concord vs Tu-144,VC-10 vs Il-62.....,this is the game played always in that way. It's just the matter now china becomes a player more and more apparently. It does not matter we like the fact or not, it's happening. We here often blame Chinese as a copy car of anything, but the other side is you have to respect Chinese has strong and even super capability in its very balanced industrial base and solid education base in science and engineering to support------when they produce something like airplane, we blame them copy cat, when they have world' no 1 dam, we blame them destroying environment, when they have the world's #1 high speed network completed in the shortest time period, we blame something else.....but never fairly admit their achievement in the matter itself.
The Y-20 is at it's very early stage as the project, the Chinese government is openly announcing spending billions of dollar to conquer the engine challenge, that is, to develop a reliable new engine to power it's large aircrafts. D30 is just a temporary solution before the new home developed engine gets certified. Eventually, Y-20 will be stretched in length to be more capable as well.
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7157 times:
Quoting Acheron (Reply 5):
I know they are blurry pictures, but from here it seems they are using the Il-76's D30 engines on it.
You appear to be correct. It would be interesting to see fuselage dimensions, however it certainly appears to be a derivative of their Y-8/AN-12 projects (Y-8 is still in production, 2 were just delivered to Venezuela). Almost like they mixed an AN-12 with an IL-76.
ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 20 Reply 10, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7007 times:
Quoting fly828 (Reply 7): who wasn't interested to steal technology from each other through their own spying act? MIG 15 vs F86, Concord vs Tu-144,VC-10 vs Il-62....
Of course there's espionage, but that doesn't mean these aircraft were copies of each other in any meaningful way.
The Y-20 has a very conventional configuration for an airlifter and it's clearly in a different class than the C-17 - Spacepope even suggests it's only An-12 size.
The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
To be clear, I was just thinking the nose looks like their AN-12 knockoff. I saw rough drawings later today suggesting that the fuselage was IL-76 length but wider, sorta fitting in the C-2 to A-400M size sweet spot. I think we will see better pics pretty soon, if the J-31 is any indication.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6814 times:
I don't think it looks like a C-17, more like an An-70 with jets.
And it's not like there's a wide choice of design options when it comes to military airlifters with rough field capability.
The basic design is always the same: high wing, negative dihedral, T-tail, landing gear in pods, rear ramp, etc...
I am guessing there was some help from russian or ukranian manufacturers.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
justinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 302 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
Quoting francoflier (Reply 12): I am guessing there was some help from russian or ukranian manufacturers.
China aviation industrial group acquired a team of Antonov experts. And the previous model of Y-20 is largely based on An-70. But the current model is modified a lot.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6213 times:
Capacity is suppose to be 60 tonnes, about half way between the 37 tonne A-400M and the 77.5 tonne C-17A.
neutronstar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6198 times:
Transport aircraft really can't be to different in design, although I'm sure China copied many elements of both US and Rus aircraft. You could design an airplane to load a tank from the side and be completely different from established designs, but why?
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5797 times:
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 3): A military transport with a big fuselage, a high wing and tail, and four engines. Yes, the Chinese could never have come up with that concept on their own
Hey, you know what they say... imitation is the highest form of flattery!
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
FLIB 152 'heavy' low approach...Caution wake turbulance!
25 francoflier: Yeah. Okay. That doesn't look much like an An-70 after all. I eat my words...
26 alberchico: Here's the best pic so far: http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...p?attachmentid=211758&d=1359274330 http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/758378.sht
27 kaneporta1: Is it me or this thing looks like a 4-engine version of the Kawasaki C-2?
28 breiz: From the video, it looks that upon landing the horizontal tailplane oscillates around its connection to the fin. Am I right, and if yes, is that norma
29 fly828: C-2 does not look like Y-20 that much to me, after all C-2 is only capable of 37 tons' payload while Y-20 has 66 tons, according to Chinese official d
30 Aesma: Well, we'll see if it has that much capability when a tank will be flying in it. What China's and Russia's industries lack the most are competitive en
31 sprout5199: I would disagree, the Mig 15 was a shock to the US, I don't think there was any copying involved, with the exception of the British engines. The VC=1
32 Acheron: Hardly. Thing is, for every thing USA or the Soviets copied from each other, there were dozens of original designs, solutions and materials, unlike C
33 francoflier: Yes, definitely the offspring of a forbidden encounter between a C-17 and an Il-76... It does look familiar indeed. There is some of the 'form follow
34 fly828: 'It does look familiar indeed. There is some of the 'form follows function' to that, and I also believe that the C-2 borrowed some design cues from th
36 seahawk: It is a nice design, it just needs better engines.
37 Acheron: The F-2 is a copy/derivative of the F-16. The LCA is a completely different matter. Thing is, unlike China, neither Japan nor India go around trying
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