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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6446 times:
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Is it wise to do a "break away" fighter jet style in a high-performance commercial jet like a G-V? (Granted it looks like it was during an airshow).. I like the spotter's comments



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Well it is not a "Gulfstream V" but rather a C-37A, the difference being the former is a civilian jet and the latter is a "spec'd for the government" version of the jet. It quite likely has additional systems that may allow things like this without problems (not that I actually know).

I guess the real question is what are the differences between a "stock" G-V and the C37A?

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15692 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is it wise to do a "break away" fighter jet style in a high-performance commercial jet like a G-V?

No reason not to, especially if the aircraft is lightly loaded. Passengers may not appreciate it and it isn't something you'd probably want to do on a regular basis, but occasionally it's probably just fine.

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
I guess the real question is what are the differences between a "stock" G-V and the C37A?

As far as the airframe goes, nothing I think. The C-37 has some additional avionics and maybe some extra bolt on type equipment, but I don't believe the engines, airframe, etc. are appreciably beefed up over a bone stock G-V.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is it wise to do a "break away" fighter jet style in a high-performance commercial jet like a G-V? (Granted it looks like it was during an airshow).. I like the spotter's comments

If a 707 can do a barrel roll, I'm sure this is perfectly acceptable in the Gulfstream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHiYA6Dmws


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
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I fly G-V/550s.. Would be great if I could attempt something like that, but I won't (I kind of need my job)

This photo will be on as my screensaver for many days


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5382 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
As far as the airframe goes, nothing I think. The C-37 has some additional avionics and maybe some extra bolt on type equipment, but I don't believe the engines, airframe, etc. are appreciably beefed up over a bone stock G-V.

I am thinking it may have different oil and fuel elements that make it safer to do this kind of thing.

Of course probably the real reason this plane can do this is because unlike g500 above, the pilot doesn't worry about not keeping his job because quite frankly the "company" that owns the plane doesn't care that much about doing damage to it. I meant hey can always get another one if they need to.....   

Tugg



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User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

An overhead approach, while awesome-looking, really isn't that big of a deal. I have personally seen a C-5, C-17, two C-130s, a KC-135 and an E-3 do an overhead approach.


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7086 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Just YouTube airliners at air shows. What an empty 757 or even 747 can do is impressive. Remember these airplanes are made to withstand a lot more than even a horrible flight with terrible turbulence.


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

I know the chief pilot at John Deere and he mentioned to me one day that the wing on the G-V/550 is so big that you could do an 80-90 degree back and hardly even feel it. I think he was slightly exaggerating but he said the big wing is so comfortable that aggressive maneuvers like that aren't nearly as uncomfortable as you'd think they'd be or like they might be on an airliner or other corporate jet with a smaller wing. As a side note, that's one CLEAN plane! I always appreciate how corporate flight departments take care of their equipment (understandably) compared to the planes I fly.

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5070 times:
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Quoting Acey559 (Reply 8):
I know the chief pilot at John Deere and he mentioned to me one day that the wing on the G-V/550 is so big that you could do an 80-90 degree back and hardly even feel it. I think he was slightly exaggerating but he said the big wing is so comfortable that aggressive maneuvers like that aren't nearly as uncomfortable as you'd think

the G-V/550 wing is pretty darn long..... G-V/550 vref speeds are usually around 115-120, because of the long wing.


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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1522 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):

It definitely is a beautiful aircraft with some amazing capabilities, that's for sure!


User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4813 times:
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Quoting RDH3E (Reply 3):
If a 707 can do a barrel roll, I'm sure this is perfectly acceptable in the Gulfstream.

A properly executed barrel roll is a 1G maneuver throughout the roll.

The maneuver seen in the photo in the OP would likely be higher than 1G.



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User currently offlinedragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Considering there is no reference in the photo to determine the bank angle, it probably was not as steep as is being assumed here. GV/C-37 max bank angle is listed as being 60 degrees, and I am guessing these pilots did not exceed that limit.


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User currently offlinekiadprthd From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
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When I saw this picture, it reminded me when I was down at Norfolk Naval Base for work last summer. We were on one of the piers walking to a morning meeting and I happened to look out over the bay and saw an inbound Navy C-37. I was somewhat surprised to see as it got closer, it still had its gear up and had maybe 5-10 degrees of flaps down, but was going well above 200kts. It flew above us at around 1,000 feet and once they got a little past midfield, the pilot did a carrier break and came around to land. I had never seen that performed by a Gulfstream, and thought it was the coolest thing to see. I want to say the bank angle was between 30-45 degrees, but I may be wrong. A few mintues later after the C-37 landed, an E-2 and a couple F-18s did some breaks and the C-37 was just as smooth and agile as they were in the break.

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting n53614 (Reply 6):
An overhead approach, while awesome-looking, really isn't that big of a deal. I have personally seen a C-5, C-17, two C-130s, a KC-135 and an E-3 do an overhead approach.
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 11):
A properly executed barrel roll is a 1G maneuver throughout the roll.

An overhead pattern is also just a 1G maneuver. It is no big deal for the airplane.


User currently offlinetitanmiller From United States of America, joined May 2006, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
An overhead pattern is also just a 1G maneuver.

A 45º overhead would produce 1.4g (as would any level 45º banked turn). The KC-135 is rated to 2.5g in certain conditions.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4321 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting titanmiller (Reply 15):

A 45º overhead would produce 1.4g (as would any level 45º banked turn). The KC-135 is rated to 2.5g in certain conditions.

So is just about every commercial jet Aircraft.



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