connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:
All well and good, and congratulations to Dassault.
- I don't expect India to pay full list for these a/c, or else industrial offsets of >100%, since France is desperate to export the a/c.
- Relatively few will be built in France, most will come off an FAL at HAL. Probably the first batch will be in knocked-down kit form, then HAL will build up their capability.
- Considering the way the Indian bureaucracy works, by the time the Indian Rafales achieve IOC, France will be retiring theirs - to be replaced by Tanaris/Neuron, or successors.
Their desperation is probably much less than before they were selected .
Quote: "French defense sources said last week that was unlikely to be met but voiced confidence it would finally be done, a stance echoed by Khurshid on his visit to Paris.
'We know good French wine takes time to mature and so do good contracts,' Khurshid said after a meeting with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. 'The contract details are being worked out. A decision has already been taken; just wait a little for the cork to pop and you’ll have some good wine to taste'."
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1): Considering the way the Indian bureaucracy works, by the time the Indian Rafales achieve IOC, France will be retiring theirs - to be replaced by Tanaris/Neuron, or successors.
Would have been just right had they ordered the A400M transport.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2060 times:
Quoting seahawk (Reply 15): Delays because Dassault does not produce two.seaters?
I doubt the accuracy of the article on that point. They're probably still ironing out technical details. The Indian specced Rafales will likely differ from the French AF ones.
The Indian 2 seaters will probably require additional features that the original 2 seater doesn't have, especially since most of the Indian fleet will be based around that model.
Interestingly, the French AF initially only wanted the 2 seater for training and expected the highly automated systems to let one pilot easily carry out any mission. They were very doubtful of the use of the second guy on combat missions.
Now it seems that operational experience has once again proved the value of having a second man on board on complex missions, especially air to ground stuff in a hostile environment and that the 2 seater has proven its value as a lot more than a trainer.
That said, other than the extra seat, modified ECS, less fuel and more weight, I don't think there is any difference between the 1 and 2 seaters.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...