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Qaher-313 Iranian Stealth Fighter  
User currently offlinezak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16239 times:

Apparently Iran has rolled out a new stealth fighter called Qaher-313. After glancing over the pictures i can't help but firmly conclude that this PR-Stunt of sorts is nothing but a mock up.

Here are pictures:
http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1806008


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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16142 times:

Freakin' hilarious!!!! Look at the size of the canopy on that thing!!! Is there even room for an engine...let alone weapons in the body???

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16007 times:

Quoting zak (Thread starter):
After glancing over the pictures i can't help but firmly conclude that this PR-Stunt of sorts is nothing but a mock up.

At most this has to be some sort of proof of concept demonstrator. It may be an actual plane, but just looking at it I see no way it could carry enough fuel and internal weapons to be anything approaching useful. Of course, America also had to go through this stage too in order to come up with a useful fighter, but there's really no reason for anyone to lose sleep over this.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8766 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15966 times:

Isn't that thing (whatever it is) a tiny bit small for its pilot?   


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15899 times:

Seeing those pics, for some reason this went through my head;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3dZl3yfGpc

Ah, the wonders of video sharing sites!


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4006 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15833 times:

First, I don't like to ridiculize the Iranians. As far as they're the enemy, I think underestimation is always dangerous, too. For example I read that they can build structures of extremely, extremely tough concrete.

But these aircraft programes, and this thing... who are they trying to fool? A proof of concept demonstrator, maybe, but Ahmadinejad calls it 'one of the most sophisticated fighter jets in the world'. It reminds me of the Chinese communists who told their people of the growing of vegetables of gigantic proportions.

The 'F-313' is also strange, oddly, America still seems to be the promised country for the IRIAF. And the slogan 'We willed and acquired' on the wall... Shakespearean English or simply faulty English?

This is not a scene from Hot Shots part trois, is it?

Seriously, Iran doesn't seem to have produced a simple transport aircraft, or a simple elemenatry trainer, or a basic jet trainer, with any degree of succes. I don't suddenly see them producing succesful combat aircraft out of the blue.

Peter 

[Edited 2013-02-02 04:41:34]


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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15762 times:
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Looks like some-one watched FireFox and decided that was the design they would use....

User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

Eureka!!! One now knows where an inexpensive stealth fighter could be had..... to counter the threats arrayed against them from across the pond.   

'Something' definitely resulted from all that effort of putting twin stabs on old F-5s!   



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15392 times:

Cross between a Boeing X-36 and an F-22. They didn't do much at all.

P.S. that cockpit looks like an 8th grade science project.


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15339 times:

G'day

I love the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" flags at the front and rear on this thingie. I was not aware Iran is part of the English speaking world. Maybe we are shown the export version of the bird. Then again, the English language is not widely spoken in North Korea and Venezuela either.  

It appears that visibility out of that obscured canopy leaves to be desired, but maybe the things electronics are so advanced that no external view is required for the pilot to fly the thing, all assuming the thing actually is capable of flight. I cannot see a periscope either.   

The Iranians claim the thing has flown several thousand hours, shame on the western intelligence for not having provided us with pictures previously.   

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15282 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 1):
Is there even room for an engine...let alone weapons in the body

Engine- yes, but judging from the size of the engine exhaust, it can't be that powerful. And is the plane supposed to carry a radar?



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User currently offlinewingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15178 times:

Flight global thinks its using the GE J85 powerplant, which if non after burning puts it in league with a small subsonic western jet trainer level of performance, but if they've given it the afterburning version from the F5, it might achieve supersonic dash speeds(cannot see any tongue of flame in the grainy video clips...) - but that enormous perspex greenhouse canopy they've put on it looks like it won't hold together at that speed!
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-qaher-313-stealth-fighter-381806/



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15164 times:
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It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

We've seen these before somewhere here on A.net.

Nothing more.



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4006 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 12):
It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

Except that it looks completely different. Also, the F-5 is twin J85 (afterburning) so it seems to be much smaller.



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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15047 times:

Well I particularly like the part of the quote in the Flightglobal report from the Iranian defence minister where he boasts that it's "capable of operating and flying in low-altitude," That's always kind of useful if you want to be able to take off and land..... 

User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 12):

It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

We've seen these before somewhere here on A.net.

Nothing more.

Yes we have.   



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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 14723 times:

Flying video looks like a really cool RC jet.

Mock-up: worlds first 'stealth' inspired canoe with wings.



Im amazed Iran could make such a large plexi glass canopy in one piece.


Most advanced aircraft Iran owns is a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel XD


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3868 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14581 times:
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Quoting Oroka (Reply 17):
Im amazed Iran could make such a large plexi glass canopy in one piece.

note the distortion on the display model? looking at the video and at display pictures, I don't believe the display is more than a mock up and the one flying is something else (at least under the skin).


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14548 times:

It is always nice to use easily-sourced components.

In the panel of the Qaher-313:

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-cockpit.jpg


One (1) Tru-Trak Sorcerer Autopilot control head: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Sorcerer.html
One(1) Garmin SL-30 Nav/Com: http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...pID=6432&img=productImageLarge
One (1) Dynon D-100 Primary Flight Display: http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D100_intro.html
Two (2) Dynon D-10 Primary Flight Displays: http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D10A_intro.html
One (1) Garmin GMA340 Audio Panel: http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...o?pID=93&img=productImageLarge
One (1) Garmin GTX Transponder (sorry, can't tell variant from the photo, either a 327 or a 330): http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...?pID=201&img=productImageLarge

---

None of which is to suggest that a dedicated team of Iranian engineers cannot develop a viable fighter; merely that, this ain't it. Perhaps a red herring to keep military analysts busy chasing moonbeams?

[Edited 2013-02-02 21:37:09]


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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14392 times:

anyone notice the excessive distortion in the canopy?


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User currently offlineairscrews From Denmark, joined Jan 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14387 times:

I think that the most advanced item used on this "machine", might be the electrical engine they use for the rotating display.....   I bet it is a hoax.
Have a close look on the wiring in the "advanced" cockpit, it is made for heavy G, at least 1 0r 2 G....
And the Pilot helmet was something used in the west in the sixties.
I love them, they have a lot of humour.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7840 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14320 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
As far as they're the enemy

I didn't realise Iran was at war with the Netherlands, when did that happen.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 19):

Good job, but what's the display between the two D-10 (under the D-100)?

Still, doesn't look like a radar warning receiver or anything mil-graded for that matter.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

Quoting airscrews (Reply 21):
And the Pilot helmet was something used in the west in the sixties.

In the seventies. Together with the ejection seat that looks like an MB MK7 from one of their F-4s or F-14s.



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User currently offlineBilgeRat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 222 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

Most interesting!

Looking at the pics of the guy sitting in the cockpit a clever western intelligence analyst could deduce that Iran has a cadre of Hobbit pilots for their new stealth fighter.

I also very much like size and placement of the air intakes - perfect for high AoA flight.

The jet exhaust nozzle also looks like a particularly high thrust type with state of the art LO shrouding.

Definitely should be considered as a candidate for Canada's CF-18 replacement instead of the F-35!


25 ptrjong : I dislike the warmongering that we often see on this forum, I guess I didn't make myself clear.
26 francoflier : Not to mention the thickness and profile of these (goofy) wings. It will definitely have a good STOL capability. Though I don't see it flying anywhere
27 Post contains links and images airscrews : Have a close look, it of made in fibre glass. My son would love to have such as toy machine http://i47.tinypic.com/24zxgsw.jpg[Edited 2013-02-03 02:52
28 francoflier : It doesn't even have to be that close. There is no latching or sealing mechanism between the canopy and the fuselage...
29 Post contains links sccutler : Good find - the higher-resolution picture really brings it out! Trust the power of faith. --- Also love the airspeed indicator with the 265 knot redl
30 ptrjong : But this is way too obvious.
31 sccutler : One would think...
32 Post contains images BilgeRat : No no no no no. You've got it all wrong. That ASI is not calibrated in knots, it's calibrated in Mach
33 kanban : The new pictures definitely confirm that the display is a crude mock up... probably doesn't even have an engine. Now the one flying in post #11 at the
34 flightsimer : RC model? The video I saw showed no ground to reference size... And it didn't seem to fly as if it was a real plane. I just got the feeling of watchi
35 francoflier : My feelings to. On their defense, they seem to have some relatively evolved computer graphics for that frame. It could be actual CATIA-like rendering
36 HaveBlue : The first thing that struck me was the very small size of the engine air intakes, and of the exhaust as well. Not appropriate scale relative to size/p
37 petertenthije : Is this intended to be a dive bomber? Even a slight increase in angle of attack seems to restrict airflow into the air intakes. The air intakes are ve
38 racercoup : It's not intended to be a dive bomber, or a fighter or even fly. It was Tehran High School"s science project for 2012.
39 Post contains links RussianJet : After seeing how absurdly fake this thing is, and considering how they can actually stand there seriously and try and pass this crap off as real, I su
40 Gatorman96 : Thankfully the local gym and a "Lazy Susan" was available for the unavailing of Iran's most advanced aircraft.
41 seahawk : The only role I could come up with would be a modern day Kamikaze plane.
42 dlowwa : You know, if they released it as a homebuilt kit, I might be interested...
43 Post contains links and images anfromme : That was the first thing that struck me, to be honest. Second then was the reflection in the first photo here: http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.
44 francoflier : They built in in a school gym and then realized that the doors weren't big enough to bring it out...
45 Post contains images Devilfish : Ahh...but the turntable elevates and the skylights retract. In the 2nd photo, looks like there's 'just enough' space between the rigid frames for it
46 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I think it has to be a mockup not the real size aircraft. I would fancy a safety card.
47 aklrno : Look a little farther, to photos 5, 6, 7. Looks like sliding hangar doors to me. The best feature for me is the canopy. Without an obvious locking me
48 fsnuffer : Assuming the fighter is real, do you think the metallic dashboard, wiring, and ejection seat sitting that high up into the canopy would provide a nice
49 timpdx : The footage is totally an RC plane. Lol. Maybe Photoshop should have been used to make the plane bigger, kinda like how they painted in that missile t
50 Post contains images EA CO AS : I was thinking the same thing!
51 racercoup : The timing here suggests to me that all of this is being done to mislead the Iranian people. Ahmadinejad's final term in office ends in June, and I'l
52 ptrjong : Agreed. This must be for domestic consumption (despite the English which they oddly seem to think is cool). I'd think this cardboard thing is a rathe
53 Post contains images sebolino : ???? They could have made some efforts for the look of their mockup ! It looks like a sick fat duck. Really ridiculous. Oh yeah, and the flag "remove
54 Post contains links and images LMP737 : I'm still scratching my head on this one. Surely the Iranians can't be naive enough to think that other countries would take what looks like a prop fr
55 ptrjong : That's why racercoup must be correct in Reply 51.
56 Post contains links and images rampart : Golan-Globus Productions, no doubt. http://www.imdb.com/company/co0159707/ -Rampart
57 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : No chance. He said he wants to return to his former Professor job at the Tech University in Tehran. From Israel newspaper Haaretz says he is vuluntee
58 Powerslide : Yeah, he'll come back "intact" just like that poor monkey did. Perfect.
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I will go to the launch if they send him and will write a trip report. All chances are that he will not get out of the adventure alive if he goes. By
60 Post contains links and images RussianJet : There have been some more 'excellent' pictures of this 'machine' in action, and they don't disappoint! You can even see the reflection of the blue lig
61 Post contains images Devilfish : So they've started filming already...what's the working title...'Top Eagle' or 'Iron Gun'? No...those are the latest thing in laser designation from
62 comorin : You may laugh at it all you want, but missing is its key feature : the stealth 'Burqa'...
63 francoflier : I, for one, am not. This is an impressive display of fiberglass structure construction. Honestly, these guys could set up a decent prop and SFX compa
64 Post contains images jumpjet : I think it's really sad that these people genuinely believe we're fooled by twaddle like this! They must surely have spent a great deal of money - for
65 racercoup : They don't care what WE think. This was done to convince the Iranian populace grinding life out under high inflation etc. due to sanctions, that it i
66 Post contains images LMP737 : For B movies yes. For big budget movies with A list actors, no.
67 Post contains images flyingturtle : Was "Stealth" a B movie? David
68 LMP737 : I mentioned earlier in this thread that Iran would have been better off having the special affects company that made the prop aircraft for that moive
69 checksixx : Well the acting sucked...and anyone with aviation knowledge would immediately know that the maneuvers they did would most likely have killed the pilo
70 jollo : If anything, I find it immensely sad for Iranians, that for the overwhelming majority are only "guilty" of having been born in Iran. They don't deserv
71 Post contains images jumpjet : Is this the same sort of thing? In other words is this a conversion designed to have the same effect? Nice colours....
72 flyingturtle : The Iranian military leadership must consist of geniuses. Or of complete dumbasses. It's hard to tell. David
73 racercoup : [quote=flyingturtle,reply=72]The Iranian military leadership must consist of geniuses. Or of complete dumbasses. It's hard to tell. David Where may I
74 RussianJet : That was my thought as well. It all just strikes me as incredibly stupid and amateurish. With all the technologies available to professional armed fo
75 Gatorman96 : This would be a "genius" tactic if it were a smokescreen to hide their true abilities militarily. Lull the west into complacency while Iran continues
76 CaliAtenza : Stealth was indeed a bad B movie, but rumors are that there are UCAVS in development out in the deserts of Nevada, i.e Area 51. It wouldnt surprise m
77 bhill : Wait....they cannot get or manufacuture parts for the fighters and airliners they have, but they can whip up a stealth fighter in a pinch? And here I
78 flyingturtle : There is no madness without some method. I don't think the Iranians try to fool us. But we fool ourselves when we think the Qaher-313 is the Iranian
79 racercoup : There is nothing in that model that would suggest your thesis is correct. If I missed some revolutionary design feature, please enlighten us.
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