BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 16459 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17406 times:
Quoting zak (Thread starter): After glancing over the pictures i can't help but firmly conclude that this PR-Stunt of sorts is nothing but a mock up.
At most this has to be some sort of proof of concept demonstrator. It may be an actual plane, but just looking at it I see no way it could carry enough fuel and internal weapons to be anything approaching useful. Of course, America also had to go through this stage too in order to come up with a useful fighter, but there's really no reason for anyone to lose sleep over this.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 4187 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17232 times:
First, I don't like to ridiculize the Iranians. As far as they're the enemy, I think underestimation is always dangerous, too. For example I read that they can build structures of extremely, extremely tough concrete.
But these aircraft programes, and this thing... who are they trying to fool? A proof of concept demonstrator, maybe, but Ahmadinejad calls it 'one of the most sophisticated fighter jets in the world'. It reminds me of the Chinese communists who told their people of the growing of vegetables of gigantic proportions.
The 'F-313' is also strange, oddly, America still seems to be the promised country for the IRIAF. And the slogan 'We willed and acquired' on the wall... Shakespearean English or simply faulty English?
This is not a scene from Hot Shots part trois, is it?
Seriously, Iran doesn't seem to have produced a simple transport aircraft, or a simple elemenatry trainer, or a basic jet trainer, with any degree of succes. I don't suddenly see them producing succesful combat aircraft out of the blue.
[Edited 2013-02-02 04:41:34]
The only difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad (Salvador Dali)
Heavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16738 times:
I love the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" flags at the front and rear on this thingie. I was not aware Iran is part of the English speaking world. Maybe we are shown the export version of the bird. Then again, the English language is not widely spoken in North Korea and Venezuela either.
It appears that visibility out of that obscured canopy leaves to be desired, but maybe the things electronics are so advanced that no external view is required for the pilot to fly the thing, all assuming the thing actually is capable of flight. I cannot see a periscope either.
The Iranians claim the thing has flown several thousand hours, shame on the western intelligence for not having provided us with pictures previously.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein, 1879
wingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 16577 times:
Flight global thinks its using the GE J85 powerplant, which if non after burning puts it in league with a small subsonic western jet trainer level of performance, but if they've given it the afterburning version from the F5, it might achieve supersonic dash speeds(cannot see any tongue of flame in the grainy video clips...) - but that enormous perspex greenhouse canopy they've put on it looks like it won't hold together at that speed! http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-qaher-313-stealth-fighter-381806/
RTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16446 times:
Well I particularly like the part of the quote in the Flightglobal report from the Iranian defence minister where he boasts that it's "capable of operating and flying in low-altitude," That's always kind of useful if you want to be able to take off and land.....
kanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4197 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15980 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 17): Im amazed Iran could make such a large plexi glass canopy in one piece.
note the distortion on the display model? looking at the video and at display pictures, I don't believe the display is more than a mock up and the one flying is something else (at least under the skin).
None of which is to suggest that a dedicated team of Iranian engineers cannot develop a viable fighter; merely that, this ain't it. Perhaps a red herring to keep military analysts busy chasing moonbeams?
[Edited 2013-02-02 21:37:09]
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
airscrews From Denmark, joined Jan 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15786 times:
I think that the most advanced item used on this "machine", might be the electrical engine they use for the rotating display..... I bet it is a hoax.
Have a close look on the wiring in the "advanced" cockpit, it is made for heavy G, at least 1 0r 2 G....
And the Pilot helmet was something used in the west in the sixties.
I love them, they have a lot of humour.