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Qaher-313 Iranian Stealth Fighter  
User currently offlinezak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15714 times:

Apparently Iran has rolled out a new stealth fighter called Qaher-313. After glancing over the pictures i can't help but firmly conclude that this PR-Stunt of sorts is nothing but a mock up.

Here are pictures:
http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1806008


10=2
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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15617 times:

Freakin' hilarious!!!! Look at the size of the canopy on that thing!!! Is there even room for an engine...let alone weapons in the body???

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

Quoting zak (Thread starter):
After glancing over the pictures i can't help but firmly conclude that this PR-Stunt of sorts is nothing but a mock up.

At most this has to be some sort of proof of concept demonstrator. It may be an actual plane, but just looking at it I see no way it could carry enough fuel and internal weapons to be anything approaching useful. Of course, America also had to go through this stage too in order to come up with a useful fighter, but there's really no reason for anyone to lose sleep over this.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15441 times:

Isn't that thing (whatever it is) a tiny bit small for its pilot?   


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13169 posts, RR: 78
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15374 times:

Seeing those pics, for some reason this went through my head;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3dZl3yfGpc

Ah, the wonders of video sharing sites!


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15308 times:

First, I don't like to ridiculize the Iranians. As far as they're the enemy, I think underestimation is always dangerous, too. For example I read that they can build structures of extremely, extremely tough concrete.

But these aircraft programes, and this thing... who are they trying to fool? A proof of concept demonstrator, maybe, but Ahmadinejad calls it 'one of the most sophisticated fighter jets in the world'. It reminds me of the Chinese communists who told their people of the growing of vegetables of gigantic proportions.

The 'F-313' is also strange, oddly, America still seems to be the promised country for the IRIAF. And the slogan 'We willed and acquired' on the wall... Shakespearean English or simply faulty English?

This is not a scene from Hot Shots part trois, is it?

Seriously, Iran doesn't seem to have produced a simple transport aircraft, or a simple elemenatry trainer, or a basic jet trainer, with any degree of succes. I don't suddenly see them producing succesful combat aircraft out of the blue.

Peter 

[Edited 2013-02-02 04:41:34]


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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1795 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15237 times:
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Looks like some-one watched FireFox and decided that was the design they would use....

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15219 times:

Eureka!!! One now knows where an inexpensive stealth fighter could be had..... to counter the threats arrayed against them from across the pond.   

'Something' definitely resulted from all that effort of putting twin stabs on old F-5s!   



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14867 times:

Cross between a Boeing X-36 and an F-22. They didn't do much at all.

P.S. that cockpit looks like an 8th grade science project.


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14814 times:

G'day

I love the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" flags at the front and rear on this thingie. I was not aware Iran is part of the English speaking world. Maybe we are shown the export version of the bird. Then again, the English language is not widely spoken in North Korea and Venezuela either.  

It appears that visibility out of that obscured canopy leaves to be desired, but maybe the things electronics are so advanced that no external view is required for the pilot to fly the thing, all assuming the thing actually is capable of flight. I cannot see a periscope either.   

The Iranians claim the thing has flown several thousand hours, shame on the western intelligence for not having provided us with pictures previously.   

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14757 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 1):
Is there even room for an engine...let alone weapons in the body

Engine- yes, but judging from the size of the engine exhaust, it can't be that powerful. And is the plane supposed to carry a radar?



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User currently offlinewingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14653 times:

Flight global thinks its using the GE J85 powerplant, which if non after burning puts it in league with a small subsonic western jet trainer level of performance, but if they've given it the afterburning version from the F5, it might achieve supersonic dash speeds(cannot see any tongue of flame in the grainy video clips...) - but that enormous perspex greenhouse canopy they've put on it looks like it won't hold together at that speed!
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-qaher-313-stealth-fighter-381806/



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14639 times:
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It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

We've seen these before somewhere here on A.net.

Nothing more.



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14609 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 12):
It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

Except that it looks completely different. Also, the F-5 is twin J85 (afterburning) so it seems to be much smaller.



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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14522 times:

Well I particularly like the part of the quote in the Flightglobal report from the Iranian defence minister where he boasts that it's "capable of operating and flying in low-altitude," That's always kind of useful if you want to be able to take off and land..... 

User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14520 times:

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 12):

It's a old F-5 with twin tails installed and intake mods.

We've seen these before somewhere here on A.net.

Nothing more.

Yes we have.   



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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14198 times:

Flying video looks like a really cool RC jet.

Mock-up: worlds first 'stealth' inspired canoe with wings.



Im amazed Iran could make such a large plexi glass canopy in one piece.


Most advanced aircraft Iran owns is a Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel XD


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14056 times:
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Quoting Oroka (Reply 17):
Im amazed Iran could make such a large plexi glass canopy in one piece.

note the distortion on the display model? looking at the video and at display pictures, I don't believe the display is more than a mock up and the one flying is something else (at least under the skin).


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14023 times:

It is always nice to use easily-sourced components.

In the panel of the Qaher-313:

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Q-313-cockpit.jpg


One (1) Tru-Trak Sorcerer Autopilot control head: http://www.trutrakflightsystems.com/products/Sorcerer.html
One(1) Garmin SL-30 Nav/Com: http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...pID=6432&img=productImageLarge
One (1) Dynon D-100 Primary Flight Display: http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D100_intro.html
Two (2) Dynon D-10 Primary Flight Displays: http://www.dynonavionics.com/docs/D10A_intro.html
One (1) Garmin GMA340 Audio Panel: http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...o?pID=93&img=productImageLarge
One (1) Garmin GTX Transponder (sorry, can't tell variant from the photo, either a 327 or a 330): http://buy.garmin.com/shop/alt-image...?pID=201&img=productImageLarge

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None of which is to suggest that a dedicated team of Iranian engineers cannot develop a viable fighter; merely that, this ain't it. Perhaps a red herring to keep military analysts busy chasing moonbeams?

[Edited 2013-02-02 21:37:09]


...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13867 times:

anyone notice the excessive distortion in the canopy?


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User currently offlineairscrews From Denmark, joined Jan 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

I think that the most advanced item used on this "machine", might be the electrical engine they use for the rotating display.....   I bet it is a hoax.
Have a close look on the wiring in the "advanced" cockpit, it is made for heavy G, at least 1 0r 2 G....
And the Pilot helmet was something used in the west in the sixties.
I love them, they have a lot of humour.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7137 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13795 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
As far as they're the enemy

I didn't realise Iran was at war with the Netherlands, when did that happen.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13799 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 19):

Good job, but what's the display between the two D-10 (under the D-100)?

Still, doesn't look like a radar warning receiver or anything mil-graded for that matter.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13786 times:

Quoting airscrews (Reply 21):
And the Pilot helmet was something used in the west in the sixties.

In the seventies. Together with the ejection seat that looks like an MB MK7 from one of their F-4s or F-14s.



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User currently offlineBilgeRat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13772 times:

Most interesting!

Looking at the pics of the guy sitting in the cockpit a clever western intelligence analyst could deduce that Iran has a cadre of Hobbit pilots for their new stealth fighter.

I also very much like size and placement of the air intakes - perfect for high AoA flight.

The jet exhaust nozzle also looks like a particularly high thrust type with state of the art LO shrouding.

Definitely should be considered as a candidate for Canada's CF-18 replacement instead of the F-35!


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14232 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
As far as they're the enemy

I didn't realise Iran was at war with the Netherlands, when did that happen.

I dislike the warmongering that we often see on this forum, I guess I didn't make myself clear.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14237 times:

Not to mention the thickness and profile of these (goofy) wings.

It will definitely have a good STOL capability. Though I don't see it flying anywhere above 200 kts with those... Even if it could actually fit a pilot.



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User currently offlineairscrews From Denmark, joined Jan 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14662 times:

Have a close look, it of made in fibre glass. My son would love to have such as toy machine http://i47.tinypic.com/24zxgsw.jpg

[Edited 2013-02-03 02:52:02]

[Edited 2013-02-03 02:52:18]


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

Quoting airscrews (Reply 28):
Have a close look, it is made in fibre glass.

It doesn't even have to be that close. There is no latching or sealing mechanism between the canopy and the fuselage...



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14533 times:

Quoting airscrews (Reply 28):

Have a close look, it of made in fibre glass. My son would love to have such as toy machine http://i47.tinypic.com/24zxgsw.jpg

Good find - the higher-resolution picture really brings it out!

Quoting francoflier (Reply 29):

Quoting airscrews (Reply 28):
Have a close look, it is made in fibre glass.

It doesn't even have to be that close. There is no latching or sealing mechanism between the canopy and the fuselage...

Trust the power of faith.

---

Also love the airspeed indicator with the 265 knot redline.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 23):
Good job, but what's the display between the two D-10 (under the D-100)?

It took a while, but I smoked it out. IT's an AvMap, though I am uncertain whether it is an EKP-IV or an EKP-V (they both have essentially the same form-factor).

http://www.avmap.us/avionics/instruments/EFIS#
http://www.avmap.it/products/aero/ekp_v-627/introduction

Is that three-way gauge on the right bottom from a Baron? Too grainy to be certain.

I was ready to throw down on the altitude as depicted on the altimeter, but since Tehran is at around 4,000' MSL anyway, the altitude shown is well within what one might see if the barometric pressure had not been set to current conditions...

---

A more robust effort at deception would have been appreciated, unless (again) it is intended as a deception to lull analysts into a false sense of security.



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14467 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 30):

unless (again) it is intended as a deception to lull analysts into a false sense of security.

But this is way too obvious.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 14457 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 31):

But this is way too obvious.

One would think...



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineBilgeRat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 29):
Also love the airspeed indicator with the 265 knot redline.

No no no no no. You've got it all wrong. That ASI is not calibrated in knots, it's calibrated in Mach   


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13886 times:
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The new pictures definitely confirm that the display is a crude mock up... probably doesn't even have an engine.

Now the one flying in post #11 at the bottom of the flightglobal piece, I'm curious about.. the shots are grainy enough to hide the a/c details so it may be something else entirely


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):

RC model? The video I saw showed no ground to reference size... And it didn't seem to fly as if it was a real plane. I just got the feeling of watching an Rc in the video...



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 34):
And it didn't seem to fly as if it was a real plane. I just got the feeling of watching an Rc in the video...

My feelings to.

On their defense, they seem to have some relatively evolved computer graphics for that frame. It could be actual CATIA-like renderings, but then again it could just be some guys playing with 3DS.

The wing arrangement just doesn't look right. The main wing is too far back, the front wing would have to pick up a lot of lift to move the CL forward enough. It would look cool in Battlestar Galactica though.



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User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

The first thing that struck me was the very small size of the engine air intakes, and of the exhaust as well. Not appropriate scale relative to size/performance that you would expect.

And a bunch of other things, but most have been mentioned already. And as someone else said.. if you're not capable or haven't yet been pumping out regular aircraft.. making a 5th generation stealth fighter is just not gonna happen.



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User currently onlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13474 times:

Is this intended to be a dive bomber? Even a slight increase in angle of attack seems to restrict airflow into the air intakes. The air intakes are very small as it is!


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User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 37):

Is this intended to be a dive bomber? Even a slight increase in angle of attack seems to restrict airflow into the air intakes. The air intakes are very small as it is!

It's not intended to be a dive bomber, or a fighter or even fly. It was Tehran High School"s science project for 2012.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13444 times:
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After seeing how absurdly fake this thing is, and considering how they can actually stand there seriously and try and pass this crap off as real, I suddenly feel that Iran is far less of a threat to anyone than I previously imagined.

Great quote in this article:

Quote:

The Israeli paper Maariv interviewed aeronautical expert Tal Inbar who says the aircraft looked like a model made of fiberglass or cardboard. He said, “It’s not a plane, because that’s not how a real plane looks.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...tealth-fighter-jet-but-is-it-real/

[Edited 2013-02-03 17:55:49]


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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13253 times:

Thankfully the local gym and a "Lazy Susan" was available for the unavailing of Iran's most advanced aircraft.


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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13054 times:

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 37):
Is this intended to be a dive bomber? Even a slight increase in angle of attack seems to restrict airflow into the air intakes. The air intakes are very small as it is!

The only role I could come up with would be a modern day Kamikaze plane.


User currently offlinedlowwa From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 7328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12876 times:
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You know, if they released it as a homebuilt kit, I might be interested...

User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 441 posts, RR: 11
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12840 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 28):
It doesn't even have to be that close. There is no latching or sealing mechanism between the canopy and the fuselage...

That was the first thing that struck me, to be honest. Second then was the reflection in the first photo here:
http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1806008
In that light, the area just in front of the cockpit just looks like modeled plastics or fibreglass.
And then, airscrews posted this:
http://i47.tinypic.com/24zxgsw.jpg
Fibreglass all the way, plus some off-the-shelf avionics, as sccutler pointed out  
Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 40):
Thankfully the local gym and a "Lazy Susan" was available for the unavailing of Iran's most advanced aircraft.

Yeah, the choice of venue and decoration sure made me wonder... Tastes vary, I guess.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

Quoting anfromme (Reply 43):
Yeah, the choice of venue and decoration sure made me wonder... Tastes vary, I guess.

They built in in a school gym and then realized that the doors weren't big enough to bring it out...



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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12358 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 44):
They built in in a school gym and then realized that the doors weren't big enough to bring it out...

Ahh...but the turntable elevates and the skylights retract. In the 2nd photo, looks like there's 'just enough' space between the rigid frames for it to clear. The drooping wingtips may have been necessitated not only by aerodynamics and to mitigate vortexes...but also to fit tight entries into secret hardened shelters .


Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 9):
I love the "REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT" flags at the front and rear on this thingie.

Would also explain the red ribbon requiring the removal of the probe  . Although that does leave one to wonder if the flight of the 'real' thing is ever going to happen.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12145 times:

I think it has to be a mockup not the real size aircraft.

I would fancy a safety card.

  



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11957 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 45):

Quoting francoflier (Reply 44):
They built in in a school gym and then realized that the doors weren't big enough to bring it out...

Ahh...but the turntable elevates and the skylights retract. In the 2nd photo, looks like there's 'just enough' space between the rigid frames for it to clear. The drooping wingtips may have been necessitated not only by aerodynamics and to mitigate vortexes...but also to fit tight entries into secret hardened shelters .

Look a little farther, to photos 5, 6, 7. Looks like sliding hangar doors to me.

The best feature for me is the canopy. Without an obvious locking mechanism I suspect it would simply be blown off during or shortly after takeoff. As seen in the photos staring around number 11 it seems to have the clarity of decorative glass block. I doubt that the pilot could find his way to the runway in the first place, a good thing if he wants to keep his canopy.

Doesn't the eject procedure call for the pilot to force his head back against the seat before pulling the handle? Is the ejection seat in the photos designed to behead the pilot, perhaps as immediate Islamic punishment for destroying government property in the impending crash?


User currently offlinefsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11808 times:

Assuming the fighter is real, do you think the metallic dashboard, wiring, and ejection seat sitting that high up into the canopy would provide a nice radar return defeating the "stealth"?

User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

The footage is totally an RC plane. Lol. Maybe Photoshop should have been used to make the plane bigger, kinda like how they painted in that missile that never fired. As for the monkey they supposedly put into space, well....

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11508 times:
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Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 6):
Looks like some-one watched FireFox and decided that was the design they would use....

I was thinking the same thing!




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User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 48):
Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 48):

The timing here suggests to me that all of this is being done to mislead the Iranian people. Ahmadinejad's final term in office ends in June, and I'll bet dollars to donuts he tries to hold on to power. Him and his monkey!!!!


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11453 times:

Quoting racercoup (Reply 51):

Agreed. This must be for domestic consumption (despite the English which they oddly seem to think is cool).

I'd think this cardboard thing is a rather risky attempt to fool a young population in the social media age, though.



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

????

They could have made some efforts for the look of their mockup ! It looks like a sick fat duck.
Really ridiculous.

Oh yeah, and the flag "remove before flight" at the front of the plane is obviously here to "impress" Americans  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2013-02-05 06:35:49]

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11257 times:

I'm still scratching my head on this one. Surely the Iranians can't be naive enough to think that other countries would take what looks like a prop from a straight to video B movie seriously. If they are not then this was meant for domestic consumption. Either way the next time around they should call Hollywood to make them one. Tinsle Town would do a much better job.  http://www.navy.mil/view_image.asp?id=15332

User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 55, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11215 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 54):
Surely the Iranians can't be naive enough to think that other countries would take what looks like a prop from a straight to video B movie seriously.

That's why racercoup must be correct in Reply 51.



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3108 posts, RR: 6
Reply 56, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11203 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 54):
what looks like a prop from a straight to video B movie seriously.

Golan-Globus Productions, no doubt.  http://www.imdb.com/company/co0159707/

-Rampart


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 57, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Quoting racercoup (Reply 51):
I'll bet dollars to donuts he tries to hold on to power.

No chance. He said he wants to return to his former Professor job at the Tech University in Tehran.

From Israel newspaper Haaretz says he is vulunteering to be the first Iranian Astronaut launched on an Iranian Ship from Iranian territory.

Ahmadinejad: I'm ready to be Iran's first astronaut
The Iranian president said he's ready to take the risk of being sent into space as part of the country's goal of a manned space flight.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that he's ready to take the risk of being the first Iranian astronaut sent into space as part of Iran's goal of a manned space flight.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-e...be-iran-s-first-astronaut-1.501406

I smell Israeli propaganda

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinePowerslide From Canada, joined Oct 2010, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 57):
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Monday that he's ready to take the risk of being the first Iranian astronaut sent into space as part of Iran's goal of a manned space flight.

Yeah, he'll come back "intact" just like that poor monkey did.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 57):
I smell Israeli propaganda

Perfect.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 59, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 58):
Yeah, he'll come back "intact" just like that poor monkey did.

I will go to the launch if they send him and will write a trip report.
All chances are that he will not get out of the adventure alive if he goes.

Bye bye Mr. A.

 

As for Dear Leader young Kim I doubt he will ever attempt to send his ICBMs toward the U.S. unless he wants his country wiped off the map.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 60, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
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There have been some more 'excellent' pictures of this 'machine' in action, and they don't disappoint! You can even see the reflection of the blue lights from the gymnasium on the tail of the Qaher 'soaring majestically' over the mountains. Hilarious!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...-help-Photoshop.html#axzz2KaQVqitn




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User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 56):
Golan-Globus Productions, no doubt.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 60):
There have been some more 'excellent' pictures of this 'machine' in action, and they don't disappoint!

So they've started filming already...what's the working title...'Top Eagle' or 'Iron Gun'?  
.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 60):
You can even see the reflection of the blue lights from the gymnasium on the tail

No...those are the latest thing in laser designation from the bogeys   .



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 62, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8585 times:

You may laugh at it all you want, but missing is its key feature : the stealth 'Burqa'...

User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 63, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 62):
You may laugh at it all you want,

I, for one, am not.
This is an impressive display of fiberglass structure construction.

Honestly, these guys could set up a decent prop and SFX company for Hollywood.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8446 times:

I think it's really sad that these people genuinely believe we're fooled by twaddle like this! They must surely have spent a great deal of money - for what? Total self delusion by any interpretation....   

User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 64):
I think it's really sad that these people genuinely believe we're fooled by twaddle like this! They must surely have spent a great deal of money - for what? Total self delusion by any interpretation....   

They don't care what WE think. This was done to convince the Iranian populace grinding life out under high inflation etc. due to sanctions, that it is all for good cause.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 66, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 63):
Honestly, these guys could set up a decent prop and SFX company for Hollywood.

For B movies yes. For big budget movies with A list actors, no.  


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2327 posts, RR: 13
Reply 67, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 66):

Was "Stealth" a B movie?





David



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 68, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 67):
Was "Stealth" a B movie?

I mentioned earlier in this thread that Iran would have been better off having the special affects company that made the prop aircraft for that moive make one for them.


User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 67):
Was "Stealth" a B movie?

Well the acting sucked...and anyone with aviation knowledge would immediately know that the maneuvers they did would most likely have killed the pilots immediately.....


I'd say most definitely YES...it was a B movie.


User currently offlinejollo From Italy, joined Aug 2011, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

If anything, I find it immensely sad for Iranians, that for the overwhelming majority are only "guilty" of having been born in Iran. They don't deserve to be ruled by a caste who not only famishes and suppresses basic freedoms, but also plays them for fools...

Besides, while the Iranian government may build ridicoulous fake stealth fighters and stage still faker orbital return trips for monkeys, the consensus is that their long range rockets, while not accurate, work well enough. And their nuclear research is nothing to be laughed about: for example, IIRC Iran still holds an indirect but significant (10%) share of EURODIF, the largest uranuim enrichment consortium in the world (> 8 MSWU/year). Share ownership doesn't automatically equate to technology transfer, but...

So I understand the sarcasm in this thread, and I apologize to be such a party pooper, but I don't feel much like joining the fun...


User currently offlinejumpjet From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7868 times:



Is this the same sort of thing? In other words is this a conversion designed to have the same effect?

Nice colours....   


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2327 posts, RR: 13
Reply 72, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7802 times:

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 71):

The Iranian military leadership must consist of geniuses.

Or of complete dumbasses.

It's hard to tell.


David



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User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

[quote=flyingturtle,reply=72]The Iranian military leadership must consist of geniuses.

Or of complete dumbasses.

It's hard to tell.


David

Where may I ask do you find genius in any of this?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 74, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7395 times:
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Quoting racercoup (Reply 73):
Where may I ask do you find genius in any of this?

That was my thought as well. It all just strikes me as incredibly stupid and amateurish. With all the technologies available to professional armed forces and governments of the world, how on earth could they even for asecond think that this nonsense would pass muster?



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 74):
That was my thought as well. It all just strikes me as incredibly stupid and amateurish. With all the technologies available to professional armed forces and governments of the world, how on earth could they even for asecond think that this nonsense would pass muster?

This would be a "genius" tactic if it were a smokescreen to hide their true abilities militarily. Lull the west into complacency while Iran continues their quest for nuclear capability and more advanced military hardware.

I certainly don't believe this is the case though, just throwing the scenario out here...



Cha brro
User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 67):

Stealth was indeed a bad B movie, but rumors are that there are UCAVS in development out in the deserts of Nevada, i.e Area 51. It wouldnt surprise me in the least bit.


User currently onlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

Wait....they cannot get or manufacuture parts for the fighters and airliners they have, but they can whip up a stealth fighter in a pinch? And here I was informed all the carbon fiber was going to peaceful uses for high speed centrifuge rotors to make fuel for medical reactors....silly me...


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User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2327 posts, RR: 13
Reply 78, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting racercoup (Reply 73):
Where may I ask do you find genius in any of this?

There is no madness without some method.

I don't think the Iranians try to fool us. But we fool ourselves when we think the Qaher-313 is the Iranian engineers' most advanced project.

I rather think the Qaher-313 mock-up is just a relatively low-cost possibility to play around with some ideas, like the aforesaid helicopter or the twin-tailed F-5 Tiger. Lockheed-Martin does the same, as does EADS, Boeing and Airbus. But the latter entities have the means to put a Qaher-313 into the air.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineracercoup From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 78):
rather think the Qaher-313 mock-up is just a relatively low-cost possibility to play around with some ideas, like the aforesaid helicopter or the twin-tailed F-5 Tiger. Lockheed-Martin does the same, as does EADS, Boeing and Airbus. But the latter entities have the means to put a Qaher-313 into the air.

There is nothing in that model that would suggest your thesis is correct. If I missed some revolutionary design feature, please enlighten us.


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