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The End Of The Blue Angels  
User currently offlineg38 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9214 times:
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Someone told me today that if the budget cuts hit March 1st, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds could be grounded.

Thoughts...? Whats the likelyhood of this?

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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

The cuts are much more widespread than the two teams, and I suspect Congress will find a way to reach an agreement at the last minute as they usually do.


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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting g38 (Thread starter):
Someone told me today that if the budget cuts hit March 1st, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds could be grounded.

Thoughts...? Whats the likelyhood of this?

Absolutely. You can add flybys at sporting events to the list as well.



Cha brro
User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2260 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 8974 times:

I love the Blue Angel displays myself but if the country needs to tighten its belt for the sake of defense spending in other areas, or God forbid infrastructure development or education or healthcare, then I'd put Blue Angel displays pretty near the bottom of the list of "Important Stuff To Spend Money On".

User currently offlinefsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week ago) and read 8883 times:

This is just posturing. Just like in Congress when they propose cutting the budget. People scream and moan that we are going to be throwing grandma off the cliff. No one mentions the $400 million spent each year on government conferences. People love the flying teams so the Pentagon is saying they will have to go to try and get support for trying to lower the amount of cut they have to take.

User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Still big cut backs even if the fiscal cliff is avoided. If I ever hope to see anything other than a RCAF or private jet... im going to have to hit an international war game airshow (like Maple Flag) or head to the US. From what I am being told US budgets to attend out of country airshows (ie Canada) are pretty much gone.

Though, I have been mulling a trip to Wright-Patterson AFB museum then a run upto the Cleveland airshow in the same trip in the summer.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8451 times:

Following along the basic line of this thread, I'd say the Snowbirds future in the CF is somewhat problematic. The Tutors are fairly old and tired, although there are some spare airframes available, but with the impending defense cuts here, the operational budget will certainly be closely looked at.


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
, I'd say the Snowbirds future in the CF is somewhat problematic.

The Snowbirds substituted for the Blue Angles one year at Seattle Sea Fair. Wasn't quite the same . . .

But anything will beat a bunch of flying drones.

At least we can still have the local C-17 and Chinooks from the local bases. Hopefully, we might be able to get a P-8 fly by and more 787 if they are not still grounded by then.    .

bt



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

Very possible, there where major cuts to the number of demonstration teams in the Air Force. I want to say they where left with the Thunderbirds, Raptor and F-16 teams. I cant remember the cut to the Arctic Thunder budget by the Air Force but i want to say it was 10% of the previous Air Force financial contribution.

Frankly i think it is a sign how poorly the current administration has managed its finances.



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User currently offlinetwincommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Frankly i think it is a sign how poorly the current administration has managed its finances.

i remember in elementary school, learning how to balance a checkbook. not sure if they still do that now. ( i hope so, because i know my kids mother is useless as handling money)

seems that not one of the thousands of people in the government that manage the money they steal from us knows how to do that.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8252 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Frankly i think it is a sign how poorly the current administration has managed its finances.

When it comes to the managing military budgets, you either fire the generals or fire congress. I don't think any recent administrations was any good at doing that . . .

bt



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days ago) and read 8171 times:

Someone correct me, but hasn't this happened once before during some financial crunch? Carter or Bush the First years, maybe? I seem to recall the Thunderbirds cancelling for reasons other than safety grounding.

I would think that if the budget freeze goes nuclear, curtailing non-essential military flying would be a reasonable show of sympathy while highway construction, access to national parks, and benefit payments to veterans stopped cold.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 7):
Hopefully, we might be able to get a P-8 fly by

Oh joy, a chance to see more 737s in the skies.  

-Rampart


User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8122 times:

Some people here will argue the Blue Angels are more useful than primary education.   


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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1554 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Very possible, there where major cuts to the number of demonstration teams in the Air Force. I want to say they where left with the Thunderbirds, Raptor and F-16 teams. I cant remember the cut to the Arctic Thunder budget by the Air Force but i want to say it was 10% of the previous Air Force financial contribution.

Yeah...JSOH at Andrews really stunk last year. Most of the aircraft there were actually from the USMC, and I could count on one hand the number of USAF a/c on static display. Hopefully the 2014 show will be better.

Marc


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

Luckily we had the local airshow association that really pulled together and got local sponers to bring up acts from the states.

Those 90% cuts can hurt



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Quoting rampart (Reply 11):
Oh joy, a chance to see more 737s in the skies.

Maybe if that 737 start dropping dummy bombs into the water then people would notice  

Better yet, they can load the sonobouy launcher with "goodies" and parachute them down to the crowds . . .  

bt



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7640 times:

I say Congress begin by reducing the budget for the 89thAW, it's absolutely pathetic when POTUS flies to LAS for a 30 minute speech he otherwise could have recorded from the White House.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7610 times:

Congress will never cut that budget since they use them too....

In fact congress has been shoving unneeded and unwanted jets down the 89th's throat for years



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User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days ago) and read 7580 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 16):
I say Congress begin by reducing the budget for the 89thAW, it's absolutely pathetic when POTUS flies to LAS for a 30 minute speech he otherwise could have recorded from the White House.

Yeah, everything could be done from an office. Or his bedroom for that matter, he could keep his pajama pants on. But, people want to see their president in person. We are not yet at the stage where virtual meetings and Skype can replace a political rally, press conference, or show of presidential support.


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
Following along the basic line of this thread, I'd say the Snowbirds future in the CF is somewhat problematic. The Tutors are fairly old and tired, although there are some spare airframes available, but with the impending defense cuts here, the operational budget will certainly be closely looked at.

There was an announcement about $755m to be spend on new jets for the 431Sqn... but I dont think anyone expects that to ever come to fruition. If we cant work out getting some front line fighters... I dont see the Snowbirds getting anything.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Everyone moaning and groaning about the POTUS flying off somewhere don't seem to have a problem when 'their' man is office. You never saw/heard the Obama haters mouthing off when Bush flew around and Bush haters love seeing Obama stepping off AF1. Fact is, ALL presidents fly around on AF1, that's what it's there for. A large a/c like AF1 is needed because it's not just about hauling the POTUS around, but also the 'baggage' that's required to be with him. Also, the pilots need to remain current, so they'd still need to fly, even if empty. Sorry to burst the anti-Obama/Bush/government/military/USA bubble.


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2321 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 20):

This is why A.net needs a "Like" button. Well said. Remember, he is the President of the United States, not the President of the Oval Office...



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Luke AFB in AZ and Langley AFB have canceled their air shows in preparation for sequestration.


Cha brro
User currently offlineMrCazzy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 4):

the thing is there needs to be cuts everywhere, and gov conferences costing 400million is quite a bit, but in the whole scheme of things 400million is pocket change.. the gov really needs to just cut spending... and make cuts everywere with everything...


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

quote=g38,reply=0]Someone told me today that if the budget cuts hit March 1st, the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds could be grounded.

Thoughts...? Whats the likelyhood of this?[/quote]

My first thought is changing the title. This isn't "The End" of the Blue Angels. At the most they sit the 2013 season out until things get straightened out. Most likely this Sequestration would also cancel all "free" airforce base airshows for the rest of the year.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
Following along the basic line of this thread, I'd say the Snowbirds future in the CF is somewhat problematic. The Tutors are fairly old and tired, although there are some spare airframes available, but with the impending defense cuts here, the operational budget will certainly be closely looked at.

I keep hearing that Snowbirds are going to CF-118s (F-18s), but will only be a 4-6 ship demo team. I saw Thunderbirds and Snowbirds at Daytona Beach last fall - the Snowbirds put on a way better show. Snowbirds had very tight formations while Thunderbirds were kind of sloppy and not tight. I heard that Thunderbirds did a real flat show on Sunday and it wasn't even cloudy.

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Quoting wingman (Reply 3):
I love the Blue Angel displays myself but if the country needs to tighten its belt for the sake of defense spending in other areas, or God forbid infrastructure development or education or healthcare, then I'd put Blue Angel displays pretty near the bottom of the list of "Important Stuff To Spend Money On".

Like giving away free benefits and money to illegals? Giving away free F-16s to potentially hostile governments?

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 20):
Everyone moaning and groaning about the POTUS flying off somewhere don't seem to have a problem when 'their' man is office. You never saw/heard the Obama haters mouthing off when Bush flew around and Bush haters love seeing Obama stepping off AF1. Fact is, ALL presidents fly around on AF1, that's what it's there for. A large a/c like AF1 is needed because it's not just about hauling the POTUS around, but also the 'baggage' that's required to be with him. Also, the pilots need to remain current, so they'd still need to fly, even if empty. Sorry to burst the anti-Obama/Bush/government/military/USA bubble.

Being that I never have my man in office I always have a problem about how many times they take Air Force One, Marine One and Congress/Senate uses government aircraft for vacations instead of business - or how they insist on putting us on their government health care plan while our tax dollars pay for their much better health care plans.... ok I will stop here.


25 Post contains links rc135x : Seems as if both teams will be axed for the upcoming season http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...nded_this_year_the_pla_s_hackers_c But the Red Arro
26 connies4ever : I appreciate your compliments w.r.t. Snowbirds. They do wonders considering the a/c (CT-114 Tutor) was never designed for aerobatic manouevres and is
27 NASCARAirforce : As much as I love the F-18. I would rather see the Snowbirds fly a Super Tucano or CT-156 (which is the T-6 Texan II for the Yankees). I believe the
28 boeingfixer : I'm curious, what makes you say this? The design and use of the CT-114 was as a primary jet trainer. A primary jet trainer, by definition alone, is d
29 cjg225 : There is a certain public relations value to these appearances. I wouldn't be certain that they'll be stopped entirely. You have to assume that they'l
30 checksixx : Had the opportunity to see the Red Arrows at Langley back in 2008...they put on a great show! And seeing them flying with the F-22 in formation was pr
31 avnut43 : I concur with cjg225. I wonder if the military will continue to sponsor something like a NASCAR team down the road though?
32 TheCol : DND has extended the life of the CT-114 Tutors until 2020, so there is plenty of time still left in those frames. The government has hinted at 2015 f
33 cjg225 : Off the top of my head, I believe that the southeastern US provides, proportionally, the most members of our armed services of any region of the coun
34 Oroka : Just like the Comanche, it was just too much woman, but lessons learned and tech developed went on to improve other systems. LCS has failed, just no
35 bmacleod : As spectacular as the CF-118's may be they are 25-30 years old and very loud during airshows, requiring most spectators to wear earplugs. The CT-155
36 Post contains links A342 : "Sequestration Cuts Ground Politicians As sequestration budget cuts start phasing in today, Vice President Joe Biden and members of Congress will hav
37 NASCARAirforce : That has already been cut - Military sponsorships on all sports etc was cut long before Sequestration. Lets hope the neighbors to the North don't get
38 checksixx : Its CF-188 actually...however...even the Canadians usually refer to it as the CF-18. I've never thought of the Hawk as quiet at all... No
39 Post contains images bikerthai : Probably deal with it similar to how they deal with a motorcade. Secret service may not be at every crossing, but your local constable may be. At lea
40 connies4ever : No SHs even ordered yet, but I'm hopeful. Boeing are doing a full court press right now to dislodge the F-35, now tHat the government has decided tha
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