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Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot  
User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

This past weekend President Obama visited South Florida. He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation on the south ramp at PBI - my home airport - for part of 4 days. The problem is where Air Force One parked is the regular parking spot for Donald Trump's 757. During the winter, Trump flies into PBI almost every weekend. This weekend was no exception (in fact he flew in and out twice), but was forced to park his 757 on the opposite side of the airport, close to the main passenger terminal. It's the first time I have ever seen Trump's plane get trumped. Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?

Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way. The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them. And whoever is normally in those spots will have to find somewhere else, no matter who they are.

-Mir



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User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation

You have a talented pres!


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9351 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way.

Wanna bet Trump has a whole different story though?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Trump... Your Fired!

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User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Now lets find Rupert Murdoch's ...


Sandgroper
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6438 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8848 times:

Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 8589 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?

Bad choice of words when talking about where Air Force One is parked...   


User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Yeah, that is an unfortunate choice of words. Posted 5 hours ago? I'd say 727Lover is probably just about ending the cavity search of a lifetime.

User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8317 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?


Yes and no. It is usually parked close enough to the fence line without any large hangers in front of it, but there are frequently other bizjets parked around it. If you flightaware alert his tail number N757AF, his flights in and out are usually quite predictable this time of year (arrives most Fridays - departs most Sundays/Mondays), so shooting landings or takeoffs is very possible.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

There's definitely a birth certificate conspiracy involved here..


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 10):


Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

I find this extremely hard to believe.


Why on earth would the AF 1 Crew allow a civilian Aircraft, regardless of who it belongs to to come anywhere near their Aircraft ? let alone allow anyone who does not have business aboard (and has been cleared by the secret service)



No one gets aboard AF1 without a very good reason.
Especially anyone connected to 'The Donald !' not exactly our President's biggest fan.



Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.



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User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 836 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7807 times:

This isn't the first time one of Trump's planes has parked at a place other than the Galaxy Aviation hangar area. Here's a shot from back when Trump had his 727 and it's over by the Jet Aviation hangars at PBI:

http://binged.it/11X0fQ3

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them.

Doesn't the Secret Service determine things like that?


User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7744 times:

There is a perception that the Secret Service can just park Air Force One anywhere they please but it's really a concert act with a lot of players to plan the right spot out for security and logistics, etc. Because it's Air Force One they can pretty much get what they want but they too still have to work with the owners and operators for rights and permissions at civilian airports.

User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 7539 times:

Is it "first come first served" or a actual assigned leased space?


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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7258 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 12):
Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.



I can't reveal the sources, but the information is accurate. Air Force One is a very regular visitor to PBI as is Trump's 757.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 16):
I can't reveal the sources,

Nonsense.


If such an event took place there would be pictures. You cannot substantiate it in any way and, as I said there is no way
the AF1 crew and / or the Secret service would have allowed it.



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.

User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 18):
Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N725DT

Trump Buys A Citation X (by 71Zulu Jan 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 20):
Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.



I have been told the Citation X is for his daughter....I recently posted the first photo in the database of N725DT at PBI.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.

User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 19):
Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.

Then post something that can validate it. The setup as you describe would be in major violation of the normal security protocols in place for any AF1 aircraft.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 22):
Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.

Talk is cheap !



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25 canyonblue17 : This isn't talk, these are extremely credible people that witnessed what happened. Simply put - it happened, whether you want to believe it or not is
26 Max Q : No, nothing is credible without evidence. The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world. Your accou
27 SSTeve : While I would find it surprising that Trump's crew got a tour, I don't find it impossible to believe, without evidence to the contrary. It's not like
28 canyonblue17 : Those that follow most organized religions would disagree. I agree, but that doesn't mean this didn't happen. And I have been on the tarmac within 10
29 Max Q : I thought you had evidence, now we are supposed to take it on 'faith' !!! Interesting, even if that is true it's not the same as: a) Claiming an indi
30 canyonblue17 : I don't. But you shouldn't dismiss everything either. You should consider the source and use your best judgement. My best judgement tells me the two
31 Max Q : What source ? I have done !
32 canyonblue17 : Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention. And yet you are still wrong.
33 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : this when he came down to play golf with Tiger Woods? I thought Air Force was putting an end to non essential flying - that is why they are talking a
34 canyonblue17 : Yes. Luv it!
35 Max Q : Your unsubstantiated account with anonymous 'witnesses' is not a source ! If this really happened there would be some evidence, funny that I can't fi
36 checksixx : Right...you (who was NOT there) and these two mystery witnesses. Too easy...name your witnesses and/or have them provide/post a photo. Shouldn't be t
37 GST : Are you aware of the Karl Sagan quote "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? whilst this is not what he was talking about I think it
38 canyonblue17 : I will not There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption. Wouldn't be the first time something involving the military/government wasn't
39 zanl188 : Usually against my better judgement to contribute to an AF1 thread... but.. I worked AF1 ground support at ADW at one point in my career. AF1 tours we
40 canyonblue17 : I understand.....and fully appreciate your willingness to comment.
41 mcoatc : Like the evidence of Obama playing golf with Tiger that the press corp was upset they couldn't get? Come on Max, I doubt they would have CNN followin
42 Max Q : Evidence that is not shown or revealed is not evidence, just rumour or hearsay. You have no credibility. I stand by my belief that the sun will start
43 canyonblue17 : It will remain BS to you - clearly not to many others. With you - but with those who know me, and those that have taken the chance to try, I'm doing
44 Max Q : Not to anyone, apart from your mystery sources and witnesses !
45 Cadet985 : Dumb question regarding Trump's 757, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass. What's its FAA callsign? I mean I might wanna download it into FSX, and I s
46 checksixx : So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who n
47 canyonblue17 : Clearly you haven't read all the responses in this forum. Never said anything about non-disclosure agreements. There are plenty of job-related reason
48 bikerthai : Thanks zanl188 for your comment. I would add that the following possibility: If who ever crew the Trump plane were AF reservists, it would have been
49 checksixx : You're right...I did. You keep up with the 'not for the public' stance, yet your sources have leaked it to the public. They have violated non-disclos
50 Bthebest : Slightly off topic but how are large private jets crewed? Are they independently employed or agency contracted? If independent, I would think being a
51 cargotanker : Hey fellas, you are way off on your assertions and not being very nice about it either. I've spent a lot of time hauling around POTUS limos and worki
52 canyonblue17 : This is completely not true. This event took place in public. Anyone standing near the airport fence at the right time could have witnessed the meeti
53 SSTeve : Honestly. It's time to stop berating the guy who is sharing the sort of info we welcome on this site, because your discovery-channel knowledge of VC-
54 Post contains images bikerthai : Nothing like a first hand account . bt
55 zanl188 : Most likely I handled one or more of your Banner missions at ADW. Small world... Small Air Force
56 Max Q : The point is no one has been able to substantiate this story. So it remains just that. Whether you've 'heard of it being done before' it doesn't matte
57 zanl188 : What evidence would satisfy you? What would you consider a good reason? Avoiding the poor PR Trump could bring seems a reasonable enough reason to me
58 checksixx : My first hand experience with a secret service issued clearance, providing close in security for AF1 NUMEROUS times, tells me otherwise. But thanks.
59 Max Q : Er, how about any ?
60 zanl188 : Which is exactly the point. Unless the White House or the Air Force is intentionally seeking to publicize AF1 (and they rarely do) there won't be any
61 checksixx : Assume anything you like...bottom line is that NOTHING would go inside the perimeter without having been searched. Not to mention that there would ha
62 Post contains links zanl188 : Oh look! Oh deary me... someone without business aboard got a tour and posted a youtube video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6oe_0hGOM My guess
63 zanl188 : Agreed, but then I wasn't trying to prove that those things occurred.
64 canyonblue17 : Never said they were not searched. While technically the aircraft was on standby, this was an unusual trip. This event happened on day one of a 4-day
65 gatorfan : Trump should have had him towed.
66 Max Q : If that's a tour then I've had a tour of the Oval office. After all I've walked next to the white house..
67 SA7700 : This thread will be locked due to a select few members that resort to mutual bashing and resorting to a flamefest. Any posts added after the thread lo
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