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Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot  
User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

This past weekend President Obama visited South Florida. He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation on the south ramp at PBI - my home airport - for part of 4 days. The problem is where Air Force One parked is the regular parking spot for Donald Trump's 757. During the winter, Trump flies into PBI almost every weekend. This weekend was no exception (in fact he flew in and out twice), but was forced to park his 757 on the opposite side of the airport, close to the main passenger terminal. It's the first time I have ever seen Trump's plane get trumped. Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?

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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21654 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9964 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?

Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way. The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them. And whoever is normally in those spots will have to find somewhere else, no matter who they are.

-Mir



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User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation

You have a talented pres!


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4019 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9379 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way.

Wanna bet Trump has a whole different story though?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4929 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

Trump... Your Fired!

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User currently offlineSandgroper From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

Now lets find Rupert Murdoch's ...


Sandgroper
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6452 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8617 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?

Bad choice of words when talking about where Air Force One is parked...   


User currently onlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2276 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Yeah, that is an unfortunate choice of words. Posted 5 hours ago? I'd say 727Lover is probably just about ending the cavity search of a lifetime.

User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?


Yes and no. It is usually parked close enough to the fence line without any large hangers in front of it, but there are frequently other bizjets parked around it. If you flightaware alert his tail number N757AF, his flights in and out are usually quite predictable this time of year (arrives most Fridays - departs most Sundays/Mondays), so shooting landings or takeoffs is very possible.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

There's definitely a birth certificate conspiracy involved here..


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 10):


Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

I find this extremely hard to believe.


Why on earth would the AF 1 Crew allow a civilian Aircraft, regardless of who it belongs to to come anywhere near their Aircraft ? let alone allow anyone who does not have business aboard (and has been cleared by the secret service)



No one gets aboard AF1 without a very good reason.
Especially anyone connected to 'The Donald !' not exactly our President's biggest fan.



Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.



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User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7835 times:

This isn't the first time one of Trump's planes has parked at a place other than the Galaxy Aviation hangar area. Here's a shot from back when Trump had his 727 and it's over by the Jet Aviation hangars at PBI:

http://binged.it/11X0fQ3

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them.

Doesn't the Secret Service determine things like that?


User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7772 times:

There is a perception that the Secret Service can just park Air Force One anywhere they please but it's really a concert act with a lot of players to plan the right spot out for security and logistics, etc. Because it's Air Force One they can pretty much get what they want but they too still have to work with the owners and operators for rights and permissions at civilian airports.

User currently onlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Is it "first come first served" or a actual assigned leased space?


Carpe Pices
User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 12):
Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.



I can't reveal the sources, but the information is accurate. Air Force One is a very regular visitor to PBI as is Trump's 757.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 16):
I can't reveal the sources,

Nonsense.


If such an event took place there would be pictures. You cannot substantiate it in any way and, as I said there is no way
the AF1 crew and / or the Secret service would have allowed it.



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.

User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 18):
Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N725DT

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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7009 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 20):
Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.



I have been told the Citation X is for his daughter....I recently posted the first photo in the database of N725DT at PBI.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.

User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 19):
Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.

Then post something that can validate it. The setup as you describe would be in major violation of the normal security protocols in place for any AF1 aircraft.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 22):
Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.

Talk is cheap !



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
Talk is cheap !



This isn't talk, these are extremely credible people that witnessed what happened. Simply put - it happened, whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. Obviously no one from the Air Force One or Trump flight crews have enough interest to post on this forum - why would they - but what I have posted is accurate.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 25):


This isn't talk, these are extremely credible people that witnessed what happened. Simply put - it happened, whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. Obviously no one from the Air Force One or Trump flight crews have enough interest to post on this forum - why would they - but what I have posted is accurate.

No, nothing is credible without evidence.


The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.


Your account defies logic, to believe it you would have to assume, for unknown reasons that all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'


It's just unbelievable regardless of how many 'credible sources' you have, it is striking that all these sources have no evidence of this event !



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

Your account defies logic, to believe it you would have to assume, for unknown reasons that all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'

It's just unbelievable regardless of how many 'credible sources' you have, it is striking that all these sources have no evidence of this event !

While I would find it surprising that Trump's crew got a tour, I don't find it impossible to believe, without evidence to the contrary. It's not like Obama was sleeping in the front when Trump's 57 rolled up, or that the claim is they got a run-down of every security secret. I'm sure the VC-25 crews know how to give tours without enabling espionage.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
No, nothing is credible without evidence.

Those that follow most organized religions would disagree.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

I agree, but that doesn't mean this didn't happen. And I have been on the tarmac within 100 feet of Air Force One to photograph it - courtesy of that security.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'

This assumes you know what all the security protocols are.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):

Reply 28, posted Tue Feb 26 2013 14:24:06 your local time (50 minutes 55 secs ago) and read 23 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
No, nothing is credible without evidence.

Those that follow most organized religions would disagree.

I thought you had evidence, now we are supposed to take it on 'faith' !!!

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

I agree, but that doesn't mean this didn't happen. And I have been on the tarmac within 100 feet of Air Force One to photograph it - courtesy of that security.

Interesting, even if that is true it's not the same as:


a) Claiming an individuals (The 'Donald's' no less, as we know, not the greatest of Obama fans) civilian aircraft was allowed to park right next to AF1.



b) Claiming the Civilian Pilots of this Aircraft were given a private tour of AF 1 despite having no business on board, being allowed to access the most secure Military Transport in the world.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'



This assumes you know what all the security protocols are.

I know that no one gets aboard AF1 without a damn good reason. You assume that people will believe this nonsense, it would be a lot more believable if some evidence was provided, so far you have provided none and that will not change.


You shouldn't believe everything you hear you know !



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 29):
You shouldn't believe everything you hear you know !



I don't. But you shouldn't dismiss everything either. You should consider the source and use your best judgement. My best judgement tells me the two independent sources with no bias who both gave the same account of the event they witnessed in person was accurate. Believe it, don't believe it. Your call. Either way, have a nice day.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 30):
You should consider the source

What source ?

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 30):
and use your best judgement

I have done !



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6940 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
What source ?



Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
I have done !



And yet you are still wrong.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
This past weekend President Obama visited South Florida. He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation on the south ramp at PBI - my home airport - for part of 4 days.

this when he came down to play golf with Tiger Woods? I thought Air Force was putting an end to non essential flying - that is why they are talking about grounding the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 10):
Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

Did Trump ask for certificate of manufacture for Air Force One?   


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
this when he came down to play golf with Tiger Woods?

Yes.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
Did Trump ask for certificate of manufacture for Air Force One?

Luv it!


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
What source ?



Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Your unsubstantiated account with anonymous 'witnesses' is not a source !


If this really happened there would be some evidence, funny that I can't find any, you can't provide any and neither can anyone else.


Sounds a lot like religion actually !



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):
Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Right...you (who was NOT there) and these two mystery witnesses. Too easy...name your witnesses and/or have them provide/post a photo. Shouldn't be too hard since this was a completely civilian, arranged/staged PR event, and you are posting about it here.


User currently offlineGST From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6843 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):

Are you aware of the Karl Sagan quote "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? whilst this is not what he was talking about I think it applies. Put up or shut up.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

I will not

Quoting Max Q (Reply 35):
If this really happened there would be some evidence



There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption. Wouldn't be the first time something involving the military/government wasn't conducted for the public. I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event. They have never provided me incorrect information in the past. They are very knowledgeable when it comes to PBI aircraft operations, and as such, they are extremely important to me.


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6678 times:
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Usually against my better judgement to contribute to an AF1 thread... but..

I worked AF1 ground support at ADW at one point in my career. AF1 tours were rare but they did occur at the Commanders discretion. However only at invitation of the Aircraft Commander

Tour of AF1 by Trumps crews? Plausible, particularly if they went out of their way to accomodate AF1.

[Edited 2013-02-27 15:39:22]

[Edited 2013-02-27 16:10:11]


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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 39):
Usually against my better judgement to contribute to an AF1 thread... but..

I understand.....and fully appreciate your willingness to comment.


User currently offlinemcoatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 196 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 35):
If this really happened there would be some evidence, funny that I can't find any, you can't provide any and neither can anyone else.

Like the evidence of Obama playing golf with Tiger that the press corp was upset they couldn't get?

Come on Max, I doubt they would have CNN following them along. Is it not possible that when the air force or secret service team was in town the weekend earlier a favor was asked, someone has a common friend, etc?

I realize that in a world where we have gone seemingly security insane this may seem improbable, but I've gotten tours of many things simply by asking. Yeah yeah I get it, it's AF1. Nevertheless, someone wins Powerball, someone sleeps with Kate Upton, and now and then I bet that someone gets a private tour of AF1.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):

There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption.

Evidence that is not shown or revealed is not evidence, just rumour or hearsay.


You have no credibility.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event.

I stand by my belief that the sun will start rising in the west, I just can't provide any evidence of this, reveal who told me and when it will start happening, just trust me.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
They are very knowledgeable when it comes to PBI aircraft operations, and as such, they are extremely important to me.

Well, that says it all then.



I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.

It will remain BS to you - clearly not to many others.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
You have no credibility

With you - but with those who know me, and those that have taken the chance to try, I'm doing just fine.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 43):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.

It will remain BS to you - clearly not to many others.

Not to anyone, apart from your mystery sources and witnesses !



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1557 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Dumb question regarding Trump's 757, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass. What's its FAA callsign? I mean I might wanna download it into FSX, and I strive for accuracy.

Marc


User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption. Wouldn't be the first time something involving the military/government wasn't conducted for the public. I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event.

So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 44):
Not to anyone

Clearly you haven't read all the responses in this forum.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 46):
So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?

Never said anything about non-disclosure agreements. There are plenty of job-related reasons for not being named as a source. In this case, it is a simple matter of respect. My sources are way too valuable to me. They have never given me incorrect information in the past - and I want to make sure they continue to provide me with information. That reason alone is worth not outting them in this forum just to satisfy everyone's need to understand how credible they are.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 39):

Tour of AF1 by Trumps crews? Plausible, particularly if they went out of their way to accomodate AF1.

Thanks zanl188 for your comment. I would add that the following possibility:

If who ever crew the Trump plane were AF reservists, it would have been easier to clear them for access because more likely than not their security clearance would be up to date.

bt



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 47):
Never said anything about non-disclosure agreements. There are plenty of job-related reasons for not being named as a source. In this case, it is a simple matter of respect. My sources are way too valuable to me. They have never given me incorrect information in the past - and I want to make sure they continue to provide me with information. That reason alone is worth not outting them in this forum just to satisfy everyone's need to understand how credible they are.

You're right...I did. You keep up with the 'not for the public' stance, yet your sources have leaked it to the public. They have violated non-disclosure agreements. Plain and simple. You seem to be crafting each explanation as the inquiry here changes. 'They' have no credibility here as its just you telling this tale.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 48):
If who ever crew the Trump plane were AF reservists, it would have been easier to clear them for access because more likely than not their security clearance would be up to date.

Slightly off topic but how are large private jets crewed? Are they independently employed or agency contracted? If independent, I would think being a reservist wouldn't be feasible as they wouldn't have a large pool of pilots to cover them.


User currently offlinecargotanker From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6362 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
You have no credibility.
Quoting checksixx (Reply 46):
So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?

Hey fellas, you are way off on your assertions and not being very nice about it either. I've spent a lot of time hauling around POTUS limos and working with the secret service. Air Force 1 tours at locations away from Andrews are not the big deal that you are making it out to be. It does not require a security clearance or non-disclosure agreement. I believe it is fairly common for FBO personnel who are involved with providing some level of service to AF1 to get a tour if time/circumstances permit. The secret service simply checks their IDs (drivers license) beforehand and lets the Air Force crew provide a quick tour. I'm sure the AF1 crew would be interested in what Mr Trump's plane looks like on the inside and would gladly reciprocate the tour with Trump aircrew. (I've done a lot of "you show me your plane and I'll show you mine" myself) The politics of Mr Trump would not be a factor in granting his aircrew a tour.

Again, I've flown dozens of presidential support missions stateside and overseas. I've flown Clinton's and Bush's and Obama's limos and support vehicles. This is a plausible and not unusual story.


User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 49):
They have violated non-disclosure agreements

This is completely not true. This event took place in public. Anyone standing near the airport fence at the right time could have witnessed the meeting.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 49):
'They' have no credibility here as its just you telling this tale.

I'm still amazed you continue to deny this type of event can happen when.....

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 51):
Again, I've flown dozens of presidential support missions stateside and overseas. I've flown Clinton's and Bush's and Obama's limos and support vehicles. This is a plausible and not unusual story.

and

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 39):
I worked AF1 ground support at ADW at one point in my career. AF1 tours were rare but they did occur at the Commanders discretion. However only at invitation of the Aircraft Commander

Tour of AF1 by Trumps crews? Plausible, particularly if they went out of their way to accomodate AF1.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 51):
Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
You have no credibility.
Quoting checksixx (Reply 46):
So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?

Hey fellas, you are way off on your assertions and not being very nice about it either. I've spent a lot of time hauling around POTUS limos and working with the secret service. Air Force 1 tours at locations away from Andrews are not the big deal that you are making it out to be.

Honestly. It's time to stop berating the guy who is sharing the sort of info we welcome on this site, because your discovery-channel knowledge of VC-25 security makes you absolutely certain he must be making things up. Turns out he's not the one making things up. Multiple people have confirmed tours happen, and that makes a TON of sense.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2137 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 51):

Again, I've flown dozens of presidential support missions stateside and overseas. I've flown Clinton's and Bush's and Obama's limos and support vehicles. This is a plausible and not unusual story.

Nothing like a first hand account .   

bt



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6272 times:
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Quoting cargotanker (Reply 51):

Most likely I handled one or more of your Banner missions at ADW. Small world... Small Air Force



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

The point is no one has been able to substantiate this story.


So it remains just that. Whether you've 'heard of it being done before' it doesn't matter.


CTanker, you state you 'believe it's plausible' You don't sound sure at all and you haven't stated you have ever seen such
a tour take place yourself.



No evidence has yet been provided and it still seems highly unlikely that anyone without a good reason would be allowed
on AF1.


Just not buying it.



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6228 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 56):
No evidence has yet been provided and it still seems highly unlikely that anyone without a good reason would be allowed
on AF1.

What evidence would satisfy you? What would you consider a good reason? Avoiding the poor PR Trump could bring seems a reasonable enough reason to me. Lots of things happen with these missions/aircraft that aren't a matter of public record, doesn't mean they didn't happen....

Personally I saw the Man get off the aircraft and wave at... no one... It was a nice day, well lit, and the press wanted a photo op. I've also seen the Man get off the aircraft in flip flops & shorts, press was told no photos of that arrival. So no "evidence" of that. I could go on but you'd just ask for "evidence".

I think we've just witnessed the birth of another phony a.net myth....



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 53):
because your discovery-channel knowledge of VC-25 security makes you absolutely certain he must be making things up.

My first hand experience with a secret service issued clearance, providing close in security for AF1 NUMEROUS times, tells me otherwise.

But thanks.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 57):
What evidence would satisfy you?

Er, how about any ?



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User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6133 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 59):
Er, how about any ?

Which is exactly the point. Unless the White House or the Air Force is intentionally seeking to publicize AF1 (and they rarely do) there won't be any pictures or "evidence". I could relate a number of interesting, yet true, events about the aircraft which I cannot "prove" because the press was not present and no one took pictures - that does not mean the events did not occur.

If Canyonblue had a pix of Trumps crew going aboard AF1 with the Presidential crew would that help? You know what both of those groups look like so that you could verify the veracity of the claim?

Heck I got a tour of the aircraft myself.. Can I prove it with "evidence" that would satisfy the a.net naysayers? No I cannot... I suppose if the White House photographer had been available I could have asked for a picture and gotten it.. but that would have been a private matter between me, the photog, and whomever else was in the picture. If Trumps crew did get a tour I suspect there will soon be a pix hanging in their office BTW...

The "extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence" here is the assertion that no one without business aboard can be invited aboard for a tour.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 58):
My first hand experience with a secret service issued clearance, providing close in security for AF1 NUMEROUS times, tells me otherwise.

Security Forces then, but not on the AF1 detail I take it?



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1099 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 60):
Quoting checksixx (Reply 58):
My first hand experience with a secret service issued clearance, providing close in security for AF1 NUMEROUS times, tells me otherwise.

Security Forces then, but not on the AF1 detail I take it?

Assume anything you like...bottom line is that NOTHING would go inside the perimeter without having been searched. Not to mention that there would have to be a good reason for it in the first place. Putting an aircraft nose-to-nose with AF1 simply wouldn't be allowed from a security standpoint. It even sounds ridiculous. Now a staged event, with the VC-25 and not having the President using it, I could understand...but not when the jet is on standby for him.


User currently offlinezanl188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6130 times:
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Oh look! Oh deary me... someone without business aboard got a tour and posted a youtube video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6oe_0hGOM

My guess is he's a campaign volunteer that did good & someone arranged a tour for him...

Yeah I know, no interior shots but if he got that close I'm sure he got his tour. Totally plausible....



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Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6116 times:
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Quoting checksixx (Reply 61):
bottom line is that NOTHING would go inside the perimeter without having been searched. Not to mention that there would have to be a good reason for it in the first place. Putting an aircraft nose-to-nose with AF1 simply wouldn't be allowed from a security standpoint. It even sounds ridiculous.

Agreed, but then I wasn't trying to prove that those things occurred.



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User currently offlinecanyonblue17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 61):
bottom line is that NOTHING would go inside the perimeter without having been searched.

Never said they were not searched.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 61):
Now a staged event, with the VC-25 and not having the President using it, I could understand...but not when the jet is on standby for him.

While technically the aircraft was on standby, this was an unusual trip. This event happened on day one of a 4-day stay for Air Force One at PBI. And it could easily have been "staged" ahead of time. Both Air Force One and Trump's 757 are regular visitors to PBI.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 61):
Not to mention that there would have to be a good reason for it in the first place

Crews of two of the most visible aircraft in the country wanted to see what the other one looked like.


User currently offlinegatorfan From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

Trump should have had him towed.

User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4552 posts, RR: 19
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 62):
Oh look! Oh deary me... someone without business aboard got a tour and posted a youtube video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty6oe_0hGOM

My guess is he's a campaign volunteer that did good & someone arranged a tour for him...

Yeah I know, no interior shots but if he got that close I'm sure he got his tour. Totally plausible....

If that's a tour then I've had a tour of the Oval office.


After all I've walked next to the white house..



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