Alsatian From France, joined May 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4409 times:
Hello,
I have noticed that the Republique Francaise airliners do not carry visible registration or code on their fuselage. There are several FA7X or F900s in the fleet so how to recognize them ? Is it also permitted ?
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1631 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4037 times:
Quoting penguins (Reply 3): If I am not mistaken, WN's New Mexico One has no visible registration.
It has a visible registration it is just in that shadow colored font. All of their registrations that are on a white background are like that.
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2829 posts, RR: 40 Reply 5, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4009 times:
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Quoting offloaded (Reply 2):
I thought it was mandatory for all aircraft including military to display a reg/serial number.
its only mandatory for civilian or paramilitary aircraft to carry a registration.
Military/Government there is no rule.
Still I find it odd that there is NO external reference number on the aircraft, must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.
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airtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3644 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6191 posts, RR: 25 Reply 9, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5): Still I find it odd that there is NO external reference number on the aircraft, must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.
I'm sure there is something - but you probably need to be within 20-40 feet of the aircraft to see it.
Unmarked aircraft are used for security purposes to prevent tracking of an aircraft. Back in the 60s, a USN squadron I was assigned to a decade later used to not mark their aircraft. They also use fake identification callsigns / numbers to prevent tracking of the aircraft.
Until the day one of the ELINT birds landed at Bangkok and used the identification of another EC-121 which had actually landed at the airport an hour earlier.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2249 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3710 times:
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5): its only mandatory for civilian or paramilitary aircraft to carry a registration.
Military/Government there is no rule.
No registration number on the Blue Angels. I don't think that "7" would be considered a registration number, even for the military.
JohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1621 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3501 times:
The Blue Angels do carry a bureau number, but the Thunderbirds don't display their serial number, which is a hassle when it comes to uploading T-Bird shots to this site. Making problems worse is the fact that the team numbers are decals and can be swapped around from plane to plane during the course of a tour. After one show where I took a bunch of pics, I e-mailed the team to see if they could provide the serials for each plane for the show I attended. They responded with the list I was after!
n53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 229 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
Quoting JohnJ (Reply 13): but the Thunderbirds don't display their serial number
I saw the Thunderbirds at Red Flag 13-2 media day (23 Jan) and the jets displayed the last three digits of their S/N inside the circle on the intake instead of 1-6. Of course, during a regular Thunderbirds show, the s/n isn't visible--very frustrating indeed!
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 430 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
The DAL P-3s are very special aircraft and were classified for over 30 years and still remain partly classified to this day. However, it looks like there is an aircraft number on the gear door.
viasa From Switzerland, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1815 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3269 times:
blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3160 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3237 times:
Are we sure they have no registration?
In the past, the CIA has used aircraft that looked registration-less from a distance, when in fact the registration was painted in a color only a few shades away from the livery, and could be seen from up close only.
Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5): must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.
The odds of more than one Republique Francaise aircraft of the same type being in motion at the same time at the same airport are pretty small to say the least...
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3981 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3200 times:
I could be wrong but I believe the registration needs to be visible from at least 3 locations on the aircraft, rear fuselage, tail, nose gear door, over and under the wing...
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skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
There's nothing more likey to make an aeroplane conspicuous than a lack of registration. It *SCREAMS* "aeroplane of interest", which is perhaps not the intention.
Alsatian From France, joined May 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3132 times:
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 19): Are we sure they have no registration?
F-RARF for the A330 République Francaise or F-RAFA and F-RAFB for the FA7X. I was very close of a Falcon 7X (the picture in the middle right of the thread starter) three weeks ago and I couldn't found any marks. I have chosen F-RAFA when uploading the picture because that was the registration written in the flight plan.
Ok I am French but I am not on strike
25 CitationJet: The registration N767VA is barely visible aft of the aft entry door, just ahead of the horizontal tail. The registration number is almost the same co
26 marky: True, but would only be in exceptional circumstances. The UK CAA, for example, will only allow it on a very restricted basis, such as for filming pur
28 ptrjong: F-RAFA looks like a civil registration, but it is merely a call sign in a batch given to the military. Indeed, you won't find it here. http://www.imm
29 Aesma: Why ? Even without counting their base, I can see plenty of reasons for 2 Falcons (7X, 900, 50), 2 A340, or 2 A310 flying together. Only the A330 is
30 Alsatian: As stated in the thread starter, my question was actually only about A330, FA7X and F900. The other aircraft types (A310, A340, FA50, AJET, RAFL, MIR
31 ptrjong: But they are all military aircraft, and they all have a military serial based on the construction number, even if it's (nearly) invisible. On the top
32 Alsatian: Hello Peter, Right. If you have the serial you can guess the code. If you have the reg you can get the code. If you have the code you can find the reg
33 Devilfish: One can easily dismiss the registration when the livery is as nice as that. Guess aspiring leaders have one more perk to look forward to.
34 ptrjong: Hi Alsatian, Of course that may be a problem. But only for reggie spotters and uploaders here
35 Alsatian: That is indeed a problem for us but I thought it could also be a problem for the aviation authorities in case of incident. Cheers Dennis
36 NASCARAirforce: JohnJ does reply about the Blue Angels too - The Blue Angels have a 6 digit bureau number displayed under their horizontal stabelizers (as do all oth
38 NASCARAirforce: When the horizontal stabelizer is in that position you can see it - but normally from that angle it is difficult to see. That picture was taken in 20
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