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Aircrafts W/o Visible Reg Or Code : Allowed?  
User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

Hello,

I have noticed that the Republique Francaise airliners do not carry visible registration or code on their fuselage. There are several FA7X or F900s in the fleet so how to recognize them ? Is it also permitted ?


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User currently onlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3513 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
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Republique Francaise is not an airline, it's a government/military transports.


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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

I thought it was mandatory for all aircraft including military to display a reg/serial number.


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User currently offlinepenguins From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

If I am not mistaken, WN's New Mexico One has no visible registration.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1924 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5740 times:
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Quoting penguins (Reply 3):
If I am not mistaken, WN's New Mexico One has no visible registration.

It has a visible registration it is just in that shadow colored font. All of their registrations that are on a white background are like that.



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3048 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5712 times:
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Quoting offloaded (Reply 2):

I thought it was mandatory for all aircraft including military to display a reg/serial number.

its only mandatory for civilian or paramilitary aircraft to carry a registration.

Military/Government there is no rule.

Still I find it odd that there is NO external reference number on the aircraft, must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.



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User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Apparently no reg displayed on these guys. I see them fly overhead a couple of times a week from my office --


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6808 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

Well, do they have a reg that could be displayed ?

Do the VC-25 have regs ?



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User currently offlineairtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
Do the VC-25 have regs ?

They have their ship number on the tail in black



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5):
Still I find it odd that there is NO external reference number on the aircraft, must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.

I'm sure there is something - but you probably need to be within 20-40 feet of the aircraft to see it.

Unmarked aircraft are used for security purposes to prevent tracking of an aircraft. Back in the 60s, a USN squadron I was assigned to a decade later used to not mark their aircraft. They also use fake identification callsigns / numbers to prevent tracking of the aircraft.

Until the day one of the ELINT birds landed at Bangkok and used the identification of another EC-121 which had actually landed at the airport an hour earlier.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2456 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5413 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5):
its only mandatory for civilian or paramilitary aircraft to carry a registration.

Military/Government there is no rule.

No registration number on the Blue Angels. I don't think that "7" would be considered a registration number, even for the military.

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User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 10):
No registration number on the Blue Angels.

The Blues all have their Bureau Numbers right under the horizontal stabilizer.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3024 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5307 times:
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Many US Navy Orions have Bureau Number stencilled on the inner face of the front under carriage doors and have for a decade or so.

User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

The Blue Angels do carry a bureau number, but the Thunderbirds don't display their serial number, which is a hassle when it comes to uploading T-Bird shots to this site. Making problems worse is the fact that the team numbers are decals and can be swapped around from plane to plane during the course of a tour. After one show where I took a bunch of pics, I e-mailed the team to see if they could provide the serials for each plane for the show I attended. They responded with the list I was after!

User currently offlinen53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 13):
but the Thunderbirds don't display their serial number

I saw the Thunderbirds at Red Flag 13-2 media day (23 Jan) and the jets displayed the last three digits of their S/N inside the circle on the intake instead of 1-6. Of course, during a regular Thunderbirds show, the s/n isn't visible--very frustrating indeed!



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User currently offlineKDTWflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 832 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

I know some US planes have done this for awhile on some planes such as this classic Vision Air example...

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=N767VA&distinct_entry=true

It used to be rumored that the Vision Air flights were used for 'CIA' flights but who knows  



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Quoting hivue (Reply 6):

The DAL P-3s are very special aircraft and were classified for over 30 years and still remain partly classified to this day. However, it looks like there is an aircraft number on the gear door.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Newest aircraft without a registration is the Airbus A320-200 of the Kingdom of Cambodia: http://livinginpp.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/p2239379.jpg

Who now the identity of this aircraft? Could it be a former Vietnam Airlines A320-214?

(picture was taken from this artikel: http://alfredmeier.me/2013/02/23/air-force-one-of-cambodia/)


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Don't forget this guy:


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The registration is invisible in all the photo here on airliners.net, except for the second one I have linked above.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4940 times:
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Are we sure they have no registration?

In the past, the CIA has used aircraft that looked registration-less from a distance, when in fact the registration was painted in a color only a few shades away from the livery, and could be seen from up close only.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 5):
must make ground handling confusing when there are more than 1 of a type at the same location.

The odds of more than one Republique Francaise aircraft of the same type being in motion at the same time at the same airport are pretty small to say the least...



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

I could be wrong but I believe the registration needs to be visible from at least 3 locations on the aircraft, rear fuselage, tail, nose gear door, over and under the wing...

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User currently onlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

There's nothing more likey to make an aeroplane conspicuous than a lack of registration. It *SCREAMS* "aeroplane of interest", which is perhaps not the intention.

User currently offlinehivue From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 1101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 16):
it looks like there is an aircraft number on the gear door

Nose gear door? Could be. I don't see one in this picture though --


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User currently offlineAndyEastMids From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 1018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Regulatory authorities such as the FAA, CAA can issue an exemption for civilian registered airplanes to not carry visible external registration marks

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 19):
Are we sure they have no registration?

F-RARF for the A330 République Francaise or F-RAFA and F-RAFB for the FA7X. I was very close of a Falcon 7X (the picture in the middle right of the thread starter) three weeks ago and I couldn't found any marks. I have chosen F-RAFA when uploading the picture because that was the registration written in the flight plan.



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25 Post contains links and images CitationJet : The registration N767VA is barely visible aft of the aft entry door, just ahead of the horizontal tail. The registration number is almost the same co
26 marky : True, but would only be in exceptional circumstances. The UK CAA, for example, will only allow it on a very restricted basis, such as for filming pur
27 Post contains links and images Spacepope : View Large View MediumPhoto © Manny Gonzalez - Thrust Images
28 Post contains links and images ptrjong : F-RAFA looks like a civil registration, but it is merely a call sign in a batch given to the military. Indeed, you won't find it here. http://www.imm
29 Aesma : Why ? Even without counting their base, I can see plenty of reasons for 2 Falcons (7X, 900, 50), 2 A340, or 2 A310 flying together. Only the A330 is
30 Alsatian : As stated in the thread starter, my question was actually only about A330, FA7X and F900. The other aircraft types (A310, A340, FA50, AJET, RAFL, MIR
31 Post contains images ptrjong : But they are all military aircraft, and they all have a military serial based on the construction number, even if it's (nearly) invisible. On the top
32 Post contains images Alsatian : Hello Peter, Right. If you have the serial you can guess the code. If you have the reg you can get the code. If you have the code you can find the reg
33 Post contains images Devilfish : One can easily dismiss the registration when the livery is as nice as that. Guess aspiring leaders have one more perk to look forward to.
34 Post contains images ptrjong : Hi Alsatian, Of course that may be a problem. But only for reggie spotters and uploaders here
35 Post contains images Alsatian : That is indeed a problem for us but I thought it could also be a problem for the aviation authorities in case of incident. Cheers Dennis
36 NASCARAirforce : JohnJ does reply about the Blue Angels too - The Blue Angels have a 6 digit bureau number displayed under their horizontal stabelizers (as do all oth
37 Post contains links and images walter2222 : Here's an example of the Blue Angels' registration: View Large View MediumPhoto © Walter Van Bel Best regards, Walter
38 NASCARAirforce : When the horizontal stabelizer is in that position you can see it - but normally from that angle it is difficult to see. That picture was taken in 20
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