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User currently offlineHH65MAN From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
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Looking for that one brain out there who would know this: which airline/s flew charter flights for the military between Honolulu and Travis AFB? Time frame of 1971 and 1972.

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User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting HH65MAN (Thread starter):
Looking for that one brain out there who would know this: which airline/s flew charter flights for the military between Honolulu and Travis AFB? Time frame of 1971 and 1972.

World Airways...??? Pan Am..??? If not USAF C 141's.........????



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15743 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 1):
World Airways...???

Definitely one of them. I think Flying Tiger Line did a lot of military charters to and from Vietnam too, along with others.



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

We returned home from Japan in September 1967 flying from Yokota AFB to Travis AFB on Seaboard World Airlines. My father had to leave two days earlier than our family and his charter was on Braniff.

I would guess your charter flight from Honolulu to Travis could have been on Seaboard or Braniff too.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6225 times:

I was stationed at Travis from '69-'71 and there's a good chance that anyone that operated stretch eights were probably operating in and out of Travis during that period......UA/FT/BN/DL/EA/World/Seabord, etc. I don't recall seeing any B720's or 707's but I suppose they could have been. There were two other MAC bases on the west coast at that time.....McChord in Washington and Norton in California.


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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6205 times:
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I made this run (from Travis to Hickham) in 1969 and 1971, both times on Seaboard World Airlines DC-8's, no idea of what the dash numbers were. Left Hickham for Guam, onto Clark AFB, then to SGN.

Seaboard was also the carrier who accidentally landed a DC-8 on Marble Mountain Army Airfield's 3200 foot runaway when they were cleared to land at DaNang Main, some three miles away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bvK6enoQDg



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 4):
I was stationed at Travis from '69-'71 and there's a good chance that anyone that operated stretch eights were probably operating in and out of Travis during that period......UA/FT/BN/DL/EA/World/Seabord, etc

Highly doubtful that Eastern did any MAC work from Travis or across the pacific at all... if anything Eastern may have done it to Howard AFB, Panama from the east.

But the top participants for certain were

Airlift International
American Airlines (to Hawaii some beyond PAX ops and a ton of freighter work)
Braniff International
Continental
Flying Tigers
Northwest Orient
Overseas Nationa Airways (ONA)
Pan Am
Trans International Awys (TIA) ex-Trans America
TWA
United (to Hawaii only)
World Airways

I saw all of these at one point or another at Travis, Honolulu, Yokota AB and Kadena AB and Clark.

The traffic of bring home bodies from Vietnam was thru the roof and taking dependents back and forth to Korea, Japan, The Philippines and Taiwan was busy as all hell too.

And to maximize routings from a logistics standpoint (regardless of range capability).. Honolulu was a sure fire stop (as was Andersen at Guam) from Travis. McChord may have had direct Northwest MAC charters (and others) to Japan bases.



BN747

[Edited 2013-03-12 21:46:31]


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User currently offlineHH65MAN From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6064 times:
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Thanks for all the great info. My father remembers us flying on a DC-10, I'll ask him which direction we flew also. I'll see if I can get lucky and Google some images.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

We took Airlift International from Travis AFB to Hickam AFB. This was the early 70s.


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

Quoting HH65MAN (Thread starter):
Time frame of 1971 and 1972.
Quoting HH65MAN (Reply 7):
My father remembers us flying on a DC-10, I'll ask him which direction we flew also.

Unless Dad was really aviation nut like us, Dad may have gotten it wrong (unless he's referring to a domestic segment) ..to this very day, my dad could swear we flew a TWA DC-10.

The reason why... is because DC-10's were so new, no carrier would places their newest jets into 2nd tier svcs with the military.

Here are the DC-10s built from ship #1 -to #73 (last delivered in 1972)

46500 1 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/08/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N101AA
46501 2 DC10-10 CF6-6D1A 06/03/71 LAKER AIRWAYS N101AA N220AU, N10DC, G-BELO, N183AT, G-GCAL
S 46502 3 DC10-10 CF6-6K 06/27/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N102AA 531 [B/U @ GYR]
46600 4 MD10-10(F) CF6-6D 05/25/72 UNITED AIRLINES N1801U N364FE 364
S 46503 5 DC10-10 CF6-6K 07/29/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N103AA 532 [B/U @ GYR]
46601 6 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 07/29/71 UNITED AIRLINES N1802U N365FE 365
S 46504 7 DC10-10 CF6-6K 09/17/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N104AA [B/U @ AMA
46602 8 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 06/03/72 UNITED AIRLINES N1803U [TO BE CVTD TO MD10F]
S 46505 9 DC10-10 CF6-6K 11/09/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N105AA 533 [B/U @ GYR]
S 46603 10 DC10-10 CF6-6D 09/27/71 UNITED AIRLINES N1804U [LRF 07SEP93] [B/U @ ADM OCT93]
S 46604 11 DC10-10 CF6-6D 10/29/71 UNITED AIRLINES N1805U [LRF 07SEP93] [B/U @ ADM NOV93]
O 46506 12 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/10/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N106AA 534
O 46507 13 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/15/71 AMERICAN AIRLINES N107AA
O 46700 14 DC10-10 CF6-6K 11/01/71 NATIONAL AIRLINES N60NA N145AA 536
46605 15 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 12/23/71 UNITED AIRLINES N367FE 367 N1806U [TO BE CVTD TO MD10F]
O 46701 16 DC10-10 CF6-6K 11/19/71 NATIONAL AIRLINES N61NA N146AA 537
46606 17 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 12/20/71 UNITED AIRLINES N368FE 368 N1807U [TO BE CVTD TO MD10F]
S 46702 18 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/21/71 NATIONAL AIRLINES N62NA N147AA [B/U @ TUL]
46703 19 DC10-10 CF6-6K 01/12/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N63NA N148AA
O 46508 20 DC10-10 CF6-6K 01/31/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N108AA 540
S 46509 21 DC10-10 CF6-6K 01/21/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N109AA [B/U @ AMA JUL95]
W 46510 22 DC10-10 CF6-6K 02/28/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N110AA [W/O 25MAY79 - CHICAGO]
S 46511 23 DC10-10 CF6-6K 03/15/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N111AA [B/U @ AMA 14FEB95]
O 46512 24 DC10-10 CF6-6K 03/30/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N112AA 541 [STD @ GYR][WILL NOT BE
46607 25 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 02/27/72 UNITED AIRLINES N369FE 369 N1808U
46608 26 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 03/05/72 UNITED AIRLINES N370FE 370 N1809U [TO BE CVTD TO MD10F]
46609 27 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 04/20/72 UNITED AIRLINES N371FE 371 N1810U
46750 28 DC10-40 JT9D-20J 06/13/73 NORTHWEST AIRLINES N141US 1141
46704 29 DC10-10 CF6-6D 12/10/72 THY TURKISH AIRLINES TC-JAV N1337U
S 46513 30 DC10-10 CF6-6K 04/20/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N113AA [B/U @ AMA 14FEB95]
S 46514 31 DC10-10 CF6-6K 05/17/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N114AA [B/U @ AMA 20APR-12JUN95]
46610 32 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 04/25/72 UNITED AIRLINES N372FE 372 N1811U MD10F]
46705 33 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 12/02/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68058 N1338U, TC-JAU
46900 34 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 04/14/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68041
46611 35 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 04/27/72 UNITED AIRLINES N373FE 373 N1812U
46751 36 DC10-40 JT9D-20 02/16/73 NORTHWEST AIRLINES N184AT N142US
O 46515 37 DC10-10 CF6-6K 05/26/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N115AA 542 [STD @ GYR][ OR MD10]
46706 38 DC10-10 CF6-6K 05/10/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N64NA N360AX , N151AA
46612 39 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 05/27/72 UNITED AIRLINES N374FE 374 N1813U [TO BE CVTD TO MD10F]
O 46901 40 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 05/22/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68042
O 46902 41 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 05/19/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68043
46613 42 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 06/24/72 UNITED AIRLINES N375FE 375 N1814U
O 46903 43 DC10-10(F) CF6-6D 06/09/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68044 [STD @ SKF]
W 46904 44 DC10-10 CF6-6D 06/23/72 CONTINENTAL AIRLINES N68045 [W/O 01MAR78 - LOS ANGELES]
46614 45 DC10-10 CF6-6D 07/07/72 UNITED AIRLINES N1815U
46550 46 DC10-30 CF6-50C 03/15/74 KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES N12089 N1339U, PH-DTA, N525MD
46905 47 DC10-10 CF6-6D1A 10/26/72 LAKER AIRWAYS G-AZZC, N902CL, N902JW, N52UA, N102UA N573SC
O 46516 48 DC10-10 CF6-6K 07/14/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N116AA
S 46517 49 DC10-10 CF6-6K 07/21/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N117AA 545
O 46906 50 DC10-10(F) CF6-6K 11/16/72 LAKER AIRWAYS N546FE 546 G-AZZD, N916CL, N916JW, N171AA
O 46518 51 DC10-10 CF6-6K 07/29/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N118AA 547
R 46519 52 DC10-10 CF6-6K 08/11/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N119AA N548FE 548
46752 53 DC10-40 JT9D-20 11/10/72 NORTHWEST AIRLINES N133JC 1143 LAX
O 46520 54 DC10-10 CF6-6K 08/24/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N120AA 549 [STD @ GYR][WILL
46521 55 DC10-10 CF6-6K 09/01/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N121AA N550FE 550
R 46522 56 DC10-10 CF6-6K 09/18/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N122AA N551FE 551[STD
46575 57 DC10-30 CF6-50C 11/30/72 SWISSAIR HB-IHA, HC-BKO
O 46523 58 DC10-10 CF6-6K 10/20/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N123AA 552
47965 59 MD10-10(F) CF6-6D 10/10/72 DELTA AIR LINES N377FE 377 N601DL, N1833U
46551 60 DC10-30 CF6-50C 12/03/72 KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES N229NW 1229 N1342U, PH-DTB
46707 61 DC10-10 CF6-6K 10/13/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N65NA N152AA
L 46708 62 DC10-10 CF6-6K 10/19/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N66NA N153AA
O 46850 63 DC10-30 CF6-50C2R 02/18/73 UTA FRENCH AIRLINES N13088 N1341U, F-BTDB, OO-JOT
47966 64 DC10-10 CF6-6D 11/10/72 DELTA AIR LINES N1834U 378 N602DA [STD @
46524 65 DC10-10 CF6-6K 11/17/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N124AA N910SF
46753 66 DC10-40 JT9D-20J 12/12/72 NORTHWEST AIRLINES N144JC 1144 N144US
O 47967 67 DC10-10 CF6-6D 11/28/72 DELTA AIR LINES N379FE 379 N603DA
O 46709 68 DC10-10 CF6-6K 11/30/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N154AA 555 N67NA
47846 69 DC10-30 CF6-50C2 01/11/73 AIR NEW ZEALAND N136AA ZK-NZL [W/O 21MAY88 - DALLAS]
46710 70 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/12/72 NATIONAL AIRLINES N68NA, N160AA
46552 71 DC10-30 CF6-50C 02/06/73 KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES N230NW 1230 PH-DTC, N4655Z
O 46525 72 DC10-10 CF6-6K 12/19/72 AMERICAN AIRLINES N125AA 125 [WFU @ GYR 25APR N557FE]
46576 73 DC10-30 CF6-50C2 02/05/73 SWISSAIR N19072 072 HB-IHB, EC-DUG

-

None of those would see MAC Charter svcs during the time window you provided.

The 1st deployment a DC-10 to MAC would have come from TIA, Capitol International and World Airways.. all which came online after 1972.


But stranger things have happened.. I mean I saw an unmistakable KLM DC-10 at the Ewa Concourse at Honolulu International in background on an episode of Hawaii 5-0. .... and am still trying to figure out how that got there.


BN747



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 6):
Trans International Awys (TIA) ex-Trans America

I flew on MAC charters
Trans International Airways DC-8 Travis - Hickham - Guam in July 1972
Seaboard World - Guam - Hickham - Travis - March 74
Airlift International - Travis - Fairbanks - Yokota - Clark - July 74
Seaboard World - Clark - Yokota - Anchorage - Travis in Jan 76

All my other flights across the Pacific pond were on commercial flights after that in the 1982-86 time period.

On the Atlantic side - between 1979 and 1982 I flew a MAC chartered Rich International DC-6 Combi at least a dozen times on the Eastern Missile Test Range route - Patrick - Eleuthera - Grand Turk - Roosevelt Roads - Antigua (Mon and Wed) an back (Tue and Thurs)


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
Airlift International - Travis - Fairbanks - Yokota - Clark - July 74
Seaboard World - Clark - Yokota - Anchorage - Travis in Jan 76

That's interesting that Fairbanks was selected over Elmendorf near Anchorage... and was the Seaboard trip thru Elmendorf or ANC?

Also, Universal Airlines may have gotten some contract work..but I don't recall seeing them anywhere in the Pacific. It'd be interesting to know which carriers were most heavily involved in MAC charters to Europe during the early 70s.

BN747



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5730 times:

All my flights included a lot of dependents.

All my MAC charters stopped at the civilian terminals at Fairbanks, Anchorage and Honolulu. We were allowed off the plane, and a few people got off at the Fairbanks stop - including the family I was escorting.

One of my early chiefs told me to always volunteer to escort an unaccompanied spouse with children. I got priority boarding and seats in the 'smoother' section near the wings.

Being the oldest of six kids, diapers and such didn't bother me.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5720 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12):
Being the oldest of six kids, diapers and such didn't bother me.

It's amazing at that age how that's the case and you could endure those situations... then as an adult (not a parent), you try to get as far away from those things as possible!

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12):

All my MAC charters stopped at the civilian terminals at Fairbanks, Anchorage and Honolulu. We were allowed off the plane, and a few people got off at the Fairbanks stop - including the family I was escorting.

I noticed this at Honolulu as well some MACs would do the civil terminal at HNL and others would go to Hickam's ramp.

BN747



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

I never flew on all military MAC charters in the Pacific. I think the presence of dependents was a deciding factor at Honolulu.

I just don't know about Fairbanks or Anchorage.


User currently offlineHH65MAN From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5657 times:
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Um, would there be a chance United or Continental flew that route in 1972? Dad is one of those few rare people (men) who kept notes along the way through life. He looked through them and said he wrote down DC10 to Travis. The mystery deepens. I also thought it would ave been too early for charter airlines to have flown that route.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5618 times:

Quoting HH65MAN (Reply 15):
Um, would there be a chance United or Continental flew that route in 1972? Dad is one of those few rare people (men) who kept notes along the way through life. He looked through them and said he wrote down DC10 to Travis. The mystery deepens. I also thought it would ave been too early for charter airlines to have flown that route.

Well he sounds a lot more on the ball in that area than my dad.. but 'to Travis' from where?

That will be quite telling in itself. If it came from Honolulu, that's a tough call and can only point to United, American and Continental (Western had not received theirs yet) because they were and the only one's flying from HNL to the Bay Area and LAX. UA or AA or even CO employing a new DC-10 to Travis could have very likely been an equipment sub.

Would have been great if he got a tail number   

BN747



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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

During 1970 my dad and I flew space available ("Space A") from Travis AFB to Hickam AFB on a USAF C-141. I returned on a Seaboard DC-8 while he returned on an ANG C-124. He left before I did and arrived after I did, which is hardly surprising.

User currently offlineHH65MAN From Australia, joined Feb 2013, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5454 times:
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Contacted the US Air Force archives and this is the info they passed on.

Dear Mr. XXXX
There were many civilian airlines that were contracted to fly military
personnel and their dependents from Travis to Hawaii and back. Here are a
few:

American Airlines
Flying Tiger Airlines
Continental Airlines
Braniff Airline
United Airlines
Airlift International Airlines
Trans-International Airlines
Western Airlines
United Airlines
Northwest Orient Airlines
Seaboard World Airways
Air America Airlines
Pan American Airlines
Delta Airlines

None of these civilian airline companies were required to provide any
documentation to the USAF History Program as to who their passengers were. I
regret the limitations of our holdings in this particular case.
Sincerely,

B. L. S.
Archivist
Air Force Historical Research Agency

[Edited 2013-03-14 18:26:40]

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting HH65MAN (Reply 18):
Contacted the US Air Force archives and this is the info they passed on.

Dear Mr. XXXX
There were many civilian airlines that were contracted to fly military
personnel and their dependents from Travis to Hawaii and back. Here are a
few:

Western Airlines
Air America Airlines
Delta Airlines

First Kudos to your persistence!

Anyway. it sounds like they're records are incredibly vague and they should have had an airline geek to keep these records..I would have volunteered to keep detailed records as long as they gave me ramp access and 'a box lunch' (lol)..

..anyway, about the above...
I wonder what routes Western flew?
Why wasn't Capitol Airlines International included?
Or Universal Airlines both did contract work.

Delta was probably used on East Coast MAC work as was the other east coast giant Eastern.

Air America was just a contractor.. no real fleet! AA CIA contractor to be exact. I remember how cool I thought the name was and searched and searched forever for a photo and come up with nothing USAF C-130s flying 'for Air America'... then of course the L-1011 version of Air America came online in the mid 80s and I don't even think they associated.

Also, I'm sorry you couldn't nail down exactly who it was that your dad believes flew the trip.

BN747

[Edited 2013-03-15 13:41:51]


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):

Delta was probably used on East Coast MAC work as was the other east coast giant Eastern.

Well according to this list:

Quoting HH65MAN (Reply 18):
There were many civilian airlines that were contracted to fly military
personnel and their dependents from Travis to Hawaii and back. Here are a
few:

American Airlines
Flying Tiger Airlines
Continental Airlines
Braniff Airline
United Airlines
Airlift International Airlines
Trans-International Airlines
Western Airlines
United Airlines
Northwest Orient Airlines
Seaboard World Airways
Air America Airlines
Pan American Airlines
Delta Airlines

Delta WAS operating from Travis to Hawaii in that time frame.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):
Airlift International - Travis - Fairbanks - Yokota - Clark - July 74

When I was in the Air Force and stationed at Shemya AFS/AFB in the Aleutian Islands in '69, we had an Airlift International DC-8 make a fuel stop on the island. The powers that be didn't exactly like this as fuel had to be brought to the island by barge and they didn't want to waste it on a MAC contract flight that miscalculated their fuel needs AND they didn't want any prying eyes checking out the operations on the island, which was highly secret.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 20):
Delta WAS operating from Travis to Hawaii in that time frame
Quoting mayor (Reply 20):

Well according to this list:

Take a second look at the words of the guy providing 'the list...'

Quoting HH65MAN (Reply 18):


The Archivist response (not HH65MAN speaking)

Dear Mr. XXXX
There were many civilian airlines that were contracted to fly military
personnel and their dependents from Travis to Hawaii and back. Here are a
few:
Key phrase.... "Here are a few"

...not very reassuring, is it?

I'd trust that archivist about as much as I would a glass of Somali tap water...

Did he even look? And what did he reference?
He sounds like the proud new WN employee bragging to a non-airline relative at
a family BBQ outing "oh yeah we use to fly 747s" ... knowing full well the truth will never
be disclosed!

Wouldn't accurate records dictate a 'here they are..' lead off?

My problem with that list.

1 - where is World Airways??? They certainly were big players on that list and route!

2 - Air America was a CIA contractor at that time and no real fleet existed..see if any
fleet archive reflects any registered commercial aircraft to that name during
that period...it's all goose egg.

from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Delta_Air_Lines
The same year (1986), Delta began its first flight to Hawaii (Honolulu International Airport) with L-1011 aircraft.

Delta's presence on the west coast (as was Eastern) was 'barely' during those years..


Sorry, not buying it.

BN747



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 20):
When I was in the Air Force and stationed at Shemya AFS/AFB in the Aleutian Islands in '69

Sorry....that should be '68, not '69.



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