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B-52 Overflew South Korea March 08 2013  
User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...rea-in-training-pentagon-says.html

“We are drawing attention to the fact we have extended deterrence capabilities that we believe are important to demonstrate in the wake of recent North Korean rhetoric,” Pentagon spokesman George Little said in a statement, even as he acknowledged that such flights “are routine.”

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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2902 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

South Korea, as stated in the VERY FIRST SENTENCE of that article. Not North Korea.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

I was going to say, I don't think there is any B-52 crew in the USAF which would trust they could overfly North Korea and not be at an extremely high risk of being shotdown and killed, unless it was in a full combat raid with active fighter support and SAM suppression aircraft.

User currently offlinetommytoyz From Tonga, joined Jan 2007, 1353 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Oops. my bad. If I can fix it I will

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):

I was going to say, I don't think there is any B-52 crew in the USAF which would trust they could overfly North Korea and not be at an extremely high risk of being shotdown and killed, unless it was in a full combat raid with active fighter support and SAM suppression aircraft.

A B052 isn't going to fly over North Korea unless there was some heavy combat going on already. Looking at the initial activity before going into Iraq - especially taking out radars. Cruise missiles and stealth bombers would be first. But the BUFF still looks like a massive, powerful war fighter.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
the BUFF still looks like a massive, powerful war fighter.

Fully agree.

I'm old school. More pounds of bombs on target is good!!


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

The Message is clear: The BUFF will come with some nice ALCMs in case North Korea gets mad.

I do understand this message, but maybe both sides just should relax a bit - especially this mad guy in the north. Things are getting a bit too hot in North Korea for my taste.


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Two B-2 took part in the exercises (link in German):

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...omber-nach-suedkorea-a-891414.html

While I do see that appeasement is always a bad strategy, somehow I wonder whether this is really necessary. But maybe its the only language Kim understands.


User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 7):
While I do see that appeasement is always a bad strategy, somehow I wonder whether this is really necessary. But maybe its the only language Kim understands.

Sort of. It shows the US are listening to their posturing and taking it seriously to a degree. DPRK has been engaging in this sort of kindergarten tactics for years, making some violent threats and demanding attention, lest it just becomes another one in the row of dictatorships around the world


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

The problem is that if NK´s government feels that their sabre rattling will not be taken serious anymore that they will feel the need to back it up with military action, even if it is only to save face in front of their domestic audience.

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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 7):
somehow I wonder whether this is really necessary. But maybe its the only language Kim understands.

The US isn't the only nation stepping up the pressure on North Korea.

I know it is a poor representative of the quality of new media reports but

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Japans-war-threat-North-Korea.html

The relevant sections

Quote:
A crisis was brewing in the Far East yesterday after Japan threatened a military strike on North Korea if fears that it has embarked on a nuclear weapons programme proved correct.

With North Korea warning it could strike US targets anywhere in the world, Japan's defence minister Shigeru Ishiba said it was ready to carry out a pre-emptive strike with ballistic missiles.

The war of words came a day after US intelligence chiefs said North Korea probably had missiles capable of attacking America's west coast as well as one or two nuclear missiles.

Mr Ishiba said: "Our nation will use military force as a self-defence measure if North Korea starts to resort to arms against Japan."

Many folks forget that Japan has said they will take first strike offensive action against North Korea if they develop nuclear weapons and a delivery capability.


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 10):

Many folks forget that Japan has said they will take first strike offensive action against North Korea if they develop nuclear weapons and a delivery capability.

With WHAT?

I mean, I respect the JSDF, don't get me wrong. They have a fairly decent little "self defense force" (read: military) with some excellent equipment. But let's not kid ourselves here, they are not a first-strike armed force.

I guess I'm being somewhat facetious since I know of Japan's equipment and know the capabilities exist to strike first, if they wanted, but... I just have a hard time wrapping my head around that given their doctrine. Where did you see stuff like that reported?

[Edited 2013-03-28 15:19:23]


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User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 709 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4321 times:
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Quoting cjg225 (Reply 11):

I think that against the North Koreans, the JSDF should hold its own as a first strike force!



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 11):
Where did you see stuff like that reported?

Japan changed the definition of 'defensive combat' back about late 2003, especially in view of some of the ballistic missiles sold by North Korea to Iran, Egypt, Syria and Libya. Some of those missiles have been proven quite capable of hitting targets in Japan.

In every 'crisis' during the Bush administration, Japan has been strongly anti-North Korean.

Japan apparently believes that any North Korean action against the US and South Korea will not be limited to the Korean peninsula. That US military bases in Misawa, Hiroshima, Sasebo, Okinawa and the Kanto Plain will be primary targets.

A key strategy for North Korea would be to eliminate Japan as a forward staging base and logistics support facility.

That would mean strikes at Yokota, Yokosuka, Yokohama, Zama and Atsugi.

Which would certainly lead to heavy casualties among Japanese if the missiles were accurate, and possibly tens of thousands if they are not extremely accurate.


User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1680 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 13):
Which would certainly lead to heavy casualties among Japanese if the missiles were accurate, and possibly tens of thousands if they are not extremely accurate.

Assuming the North Koreans use conventional weapons; the North Koreans have been able to miniaturize chemical and biological weapons for use on their missiles. The Japanese have been redeploying their Patriot missile batteries to defend key areas, along with upgrading their AEGIS destroyers for BMD duties.


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

While the Buff movement is a good deterrence, I am most curious and disappointed in China's position. Maybe they know more about DPRK Tantrums than we do so they are playing it chill, or they don't seem to take this very seriously doing an active part to defuse the situation. If China really does not want American Influence around the Korean peninsula, they should take over this themselves then or at least take a greater role besides pleading for calm. Although they get credit for approving the recent sanctions.

Worst comes to worst, DPRK has food cahes stored at various part of the country for their soldiers. Bust up or contaminate those and all 4 million strong will starve and run out of energy and zeal to fight. Then they'll know what its like to treat their own people that manner.

As long as people are monitoring this properly without any mis queues especially from the US, hopefully it will settle down.



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