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Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons  
User currently offlineyanqui67 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2005, 508 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5795 times:

We are in the middle of tensions with North Korea and the pres is thowing a party at the White House and we shut down the Air Force. This is just great.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article...nding-17-USAF-combat-air-squadrons

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3859 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5780 times:
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It looks like an across the board reduction .. a little here, a little there.. and some of the stuff wouldn't be needed in dealing with North Korea anyway..

User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5531 times:

Yup...SOMEBODY got 98% of what they wanted.....


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Perhaps put the blame on Congress for not being able to reach a compromise on a budget that, at least partially, addresses 'entitlement reform ' (anathema to many Democrats) and 'revenue enhancement' (anathema to many/most Republicans). Sequestration arose as a kind of doomsday scenario -- 'this is not what you really want, so get on with it'.

There is blame on both sides to be apportioned, but many in Congress were willing to cut their noses off to spite their face. Seems pretty childish to me, and in the off-year elections in 2014, hopefully many of the principals in the budget standoff will be made to walk the plank. Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting. God knows we do as well in Canada, but up here the whole budget process is entirely different.

It is worth noting that even with sequestration in the Pentagon, the USA is basically still outspending the rest of the world combined in defense matters.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

I find the AWACS numbers interesting in that they are making the one squadron each of two aircraft at Alaska and Okinawa only BMC through Sept. Tinker can "somewhat" handle one going BMC but PACAF?

Seems odd given current demands.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3859 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
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Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting.

well it's a representative form of government and in parts of the country (even parts of the individual states) intelligence or even educated people are a minority..


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 5):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting.

well it's a representative form of government and in parts of the country (even parts of the individual states) intelligence or even educated people are a minority..

True here as well, brother, true here as well.

Where I currently live in the Ottawa Valley I liken to being among the hillbillies. I keep expecting to hear banjo music. This is where the term "youse" (local form of "you", plural "youses") originated.



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User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Ought to reduce the budget of the 89th AW just as well.

User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 4):

I left KTIK at just the right time!


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 8):
I left KTIK at just the right time!

Happiness is Tinker in the rearview mirror... j/k



“Without seeing Sicily it is impossible to understand Italy.Sicily is the key of everything.”-Goethe "Journey to Italy"
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8954 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 1):
It looks like an across the board reduction .. a little here, a little there.. and some of the stuff wouldn't be needed in dealing with North Korea anyway..

If I recall there are nearly 100 active fighter squadrons in the USAF, so this represents a withdrawal of nearly 20% of or Order of Battle.

I don't question that cuts have to happen, and that maybe 20% across the board is indeed a fair cut. But somehow I do not think that there are 20% cuts in Dept of Education, Energy, HUD, etc.

This is called the "firemen first" tactic, where budget cuts are immediately applied to obvious and necessary public services, like the police, fire departments, and education, while entire hidden bureaucracies, unknown to the public, continue on their useless way, unmolested. It goes on at Federal and State levels.

Politicians claim that their only option is to cut services, and they (and he) warn the public that only tax increases will save the day. Nothing serious is ever done about inflated public employee wages; and only minor tinkering is allowed with benefits and the pension systems, about which the public has been only somewhat alerted.



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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
Happiness is Tinker in the rearview mirror... j/k

Buddy, you have no idea...


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I don't question that cuts have to happen, and that maybe 20% across the board is indeed a fair cut. But somehow I do not think that there are 20% cuts in Dept of Education, Energy, HUD, etc.

The problem is that the sequester cuts only affect discretionary spending, not non discretionary ie social security etc. So the effect is greater on those departments with the most discretionary spending ie defense. Then since they have tried to not affect anything in Afghanistan/Iraq etc there are proportionately even more cuts on those "less essential " areas as we see now happening. All depts are getting the the same level of cuts in their overall budget, some get a much bigger hit in some parts because they have chosen to protect other parts of their budget. Which is why defense cuts seem disproportionate.
I think we should send all the people on the Hill with Obama to the artic circle with bread and water and a tent only and they cant leave till they come up with reasonable changes to taxes and entitlements!


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12957 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
This is called the "firemen first" tactic, where budget cuts are immediately applied to obvious and necessary public services, like the police, fire departments, and education, while entire hidden bureaucracies, unknown to the public, continue on their useless way, unmolested. It goes on at Federal and State levels.

Politicians claim that their only option is to cut services, and they (and he) warn the public that only tax increases will save the day. Nothing serious is ever done about inflated public employee wages; and only minor tinkering is allowed with benefits and the pension systems, about which the public has been only somewhat alerted.

From what I've been hearing, cutting such services gets us through one year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequester_%282013%29 points out that another 10% will be triggered next year, and there's no way to make that up just by cutting back services.

The real issue for DoD is a lot of multi-year procurements need funding. These measures took a long time to enact (mostly because the Congress likes to tinker ever possible chance they get) and are good for the bottom line for those programs that are vital, but if we hit another sequestration then chances are good the government will default on the terms of the multi-year contracts and they will be open to re-negotiation.



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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting yanqui67 (Thread starter):
the pres is thowing a party at the White House

But if it were Bush in the White House I bet you'd think it OK, am I right????

TELL ME....AM I RIGHT ?????



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