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RAF BAe146 C3 - Rare Example Of Good Procurement?  
User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Converted BAe 146s cleared for RAF operations

The 'newest' transports for the RAF have been released to service and should join operations in Afghanistan shortly. There were a couple of things that struck me about the programme - specifically how well it seemed to run!

In short, since contract award in January 2012, two BAe 146s have been bought, converted, trialled and certified within 15 months and received release to service just 1 month later than originally scheduled. The total cost of the programme is expected to be circa £47 million.

This was achieved under an Urgent Operational Requirement so some of the red tape is bypassed, and the aircraft role isn't particularly sophisticated, but given it is a defence procurement it seems to be a particularly well thought out, planned, budgeted and overall managed programme.

Are there any other good examples of well managed State procurement programmes?

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13159 posts, RR: 78
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Thread starter):
Are there any other good examples of well managed State procurement programmes?

Most of the previous UOR's?
But they happened under the previous government, so you won't hear much about them.

But then again, the House Of Commons Defence Select Committee once castigated the procurement of C-17's.
So the watchdogs don't always get it right.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29788 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Its amazibg what hapoens when you buy pff shelf isnt it?

Its when the generals start tinkeribg with specs that things get screwed up.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4679 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Thread starter):
The total cost of the programme is expected to be circa £47 million.

Me thinks you could get a brand-new C130 or two C295s for that amout of money. Seems like a lot for two spiced-up old 146s'...



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 3):
Me thinks you could get a brand-new C130 or two C295s for that amout of money. Seems like a lot for two spiced-up old 146s'...

Wasn't the BAe-146 purchased as an interim aircraft due to delays in the A-400M program? If that is true, they may be in service with the RAF for a while.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 3):
Me thinks you could get a brand-new C130 or two C295s for that amout of money. Seems like a lot for two spiced-up old 146s'..

1 C295 and change, bit more for a C130. Probably a queue for C130s and C295 would be new type so more expensive.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Part of the benefit sounds like the RAF already operated two VIP 146s. There are short term and long term savings because of that.

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13159 posts, RR: 78
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Wasn't the BAe-146 purchased as an interim aircraft due to delays in the A-400M program? If that is true, they may be in service with the RAF for a while.

No. It's about the imminent retirement of C-130K's.
Specifically for transport within the Afghan area of operations. So after late 2014 that part of the tasking will be over.
Nothing really to do with the A400M.

Possibly it's also seen as being able to avoid taking C-130J's from the UK to Afghan air-bridge, to do that tasking.
Thus maintaining the whole force for that and for any other contingencies, rather than having a couple of them in Afghanistan.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13159 posts, RR: 78
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Some video footage;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP3Le...t=UUmig_Zzd2CIvCLfWxTXCAsA&index=8


User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 5):
Probably a queue for C130s and C295 would be new type so more expensive.

Not to mention that UK C-130J's are not identical to USAF C-130J's; I remember there was talk about the UK in the past wanting to unload the 'short' C-130J's and Canada was bandied about as a potential taker and there was a lot of talk about the UK spec C-130J's and how it differed from the USAF C-130J's, particularly in the back area. If my memory serves me correctly, UK spec C-130J's don't have a cargo management system in the back which makes loading and securing certain payloads more difficult and time consuming.

The UK could have gotten a C-130J on short notice like how Canada got it's first C-130J, but they would probably would have been forced to accept a non-standard aircraft which would had created sustainment issues.


User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Thread starter):
Are there any other good examples of well managed State procurement programmes?

This might qualify.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-for-new-c-27j-contractor-385932/

Quote:
"'The Air Force Life-Cycle Management Center [AFLCMC] at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, is conducting market research to identify potential sources that possess the expertise, capabilities, and experience to manufacture and deliver C-27J aircraft,' the document reads. 'Responses to this survey will be used to influence the programme's acquisition strategy.'

[.....]

The USAF terminated its C-27J programme in an effort to save money in its fiscal year 2013 budget. The service also says that it will dispose of the 38 aircraft that are currently in service with the Air National Guard. Air Force leaders testified earlier in the year that the fate of those C-27Js will be decided before the end of this year."


Quoting Bthebest (Reply 5):
1 C295 and change, bit more for a C130.

Other forces could luck out and land a bargain should the USAF go ahead and unload those 38 Spartans.   



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Still a month behind shedule (you don't make fun of me for saying nuculer and I'll ignore the fact that Brits can't seem to pronounce schedule), though.

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