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Messerschmitt VJ 101  
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3692 times:

The Messerschmitt VJ 101. I just stumbled upon this video... does anybody know why this project was cancelled?

It was developed in Germany from 1963 to 1968.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZDAS4fCPA



David


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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3959 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3663 times:

For the same reason most other VTOL aircraft were cancelled. In short, weight and fuel burn.


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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 1):

I thought there were more technical reasons, too... or the VJ-101 was killed in favor of the F-104.

The VJ-101 led me to think about an Osprey with GE-90-like engines.   


David



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7961 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 2):
I thought there were more technical reasons, too.

Being too complicated was one thing, I believe. It's a single-seater, and the workload must have been enormous. A second seat, however would add weight to an aircraft that was supposed to be a fighter, not (fighter-)bomber.



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User currently offlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3959 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

To be honest, I don't know about the formal reasons. But in the end such aircraft just didn't work.


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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
Being too complicated was one thing, I believe. It's a single-seater, and the workload must have been enormous. A second seat, however would add weight to an aircraft that was supposed to be a fighter, not (fighter-)bomber.

More precisely, it lost in competition to other designs, such as the Dassault Mirage IIIV and the Hawker Siddeley P.1154 for a NATO supersonic VSTOL fighter. Political disagreement between the UK, German and French governments torpedoed that project after the Hawker Siddeley P.1154 became the lead contender over the Dassault contender as it was judged to be technically superior. The UK government continued development of the P.1154 as a joint RN/RAF project until disagreement over specifications and requirements between the RN and RAF killed that project as well.

Mind you, the Dassault fighter had 9 engines (yes, 9!); a SNECMA modified version of the Pratt TF30, plus 8 Rolls Royce RB162 lift engines... a very complex machine.

In the end, all of the engineering and research especially for the P.1154 led towards the Harrier. Development of a true production supersonic VSTOL fighter only came into fruition with F-35B.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Wow, thank you for giving your insights!

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 5):
Mind you, the Dassault fighter had 9 engines (yes, 9!)

Errrr.... what the hell did I just read?   


David



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