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Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?  
User currently onlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3941 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Hi all,

A French Mirage 2000C I photographed last week is carrying two large external tanks, and the port tank is marked with a small silhouette of a C-135FR tanker. I would guess this means that the tank is air-refuable through the aircraft itself, but then, is this not always the case?

It's indeed a tank and not a buddy refuelling pack I think, and before you ask, no, the tank doesn't have a refuelling probe itself.

Thanks,

Peter 


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

There are air refueling drop tanks available for the F-16 and F-15. They contain an extendable refueling probe for (receiver) probe and drogue refueling. These are much different than the buddy refueling pods.

User currently onlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3941 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):

Ah, I expected you to answer, thanks  

Here's a picture.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...2110.3235mirage2000-100-059ptr.jpg

The tank looks identical to those carried by the other M2000s in the exercise.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

That is your everyday run-of-the-mill drop tank for fuel only.

Here is the one I was talking about, an ART/S on the F-16D VISTA;

http://airrefuelingarchive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/vista_arts.jpg

More info;

http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress...gent-fletcher-arts-pod-f-16-vista/

[Edited 2013-04-25 13:58:05]

User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Thread starter):

A French Mirage 2000C I photographed last week is carrying two large external tanks, and the port tank is marked with a small silhouette of a C-135FR tanker. I would guess this means that the tank is air-refuable through the aircraft itself, but then, is this not always the case?

It could have nothing to do with the tank and everything to do with the crews. It is pretty common for aircrew to play jokes on each other and this could be a case of the C-135 crew, or ground crew for that matter, stenciling their outline on a Mirage tank, probably trying to remind them they can't fly anywhere without tanker support.


User currently onlineptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3941 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):

OK, thanks.I thought this might be an offical symbol.

I guess the drop tanks can be refilled when refueling in the air, through the aicraft's plumbing?



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User currently offlineThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 1693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
That is your everyday run-of-the-mill drop tank for fuel only.

Here is the one I was talking about, an ART/S on the F-16D VISTA;

http://airrefuelingarchive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/vista_arts.jpg

More info;

http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress...ista/

There is also a conformal tank that was developed by Lockheed Martin, Hindustan Aeronautics, Flight Refueling Limited, and Israeli Aerospace Industries that has a retractable probe:

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/5/2bc36c6b-b9b6-4f11-a5fe-7a2585b98d73.Full.jpg
http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/6/6053a859-b7f3-423d-a6ad-d4e0e5b8a5ca.Full.jpg

This is compatible with the F-16 Block 50's and 60's, and was developed specifically for the Indian MMRCA competition. It is still offered for any existing F-16 Block 50's and 60's.

I also believe the Israeli's in the past have also experimented with installing a probe on a F-16 as well.

[Edited 2013-04-25 16:26:52]

User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
I guess the drop tanks can be refilled when refueling in the air, through the aicraft's plumbing?

More than likely but it would depend specifically on the aircraft's fuel management system. Usually a pilot has to manage the fuel flow to different tanks to maintain aircraft balance.

http://www.f-15e.info/technology/fue...em/air_refueling/air_refueling.htm is a good read about how the F-15E handles A2A refueling and talks about the external tanks being filled.


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