Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9958 times:
I just noticed this while scanning the news today; It sounds bad, but it also begs some questions; What foreign company is Mr. Buffenbarger referring to ? What U.S. built A/C is he referring to ? And who IS Mr. Buffenbarger ?
Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9893 times:
Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 1): I would be careful about what Mr. Buffenbarger says; he has a vested interest in Beechcraft winning the contract as head of International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.
In the comment forum after the story, someone noted that Mr. Buffenbarger was a "Union Boss".........I have rather mixed feeling about "Union Bosses"; on the one hand, I'm very well aware of all of the hanky-panky perpetrated by certain unions over the years, but on the other hand, as a dues-paying member of the Teamsters Union for 41 years, (and as a Teamster retiree and drawing a Teamsters pension ), I'm also well aware of all the many benefits of belonging to a union.
I only take issue with unions for two things; first, when the union leaders are crooks and steal millions of dollars from the members, ( like the Teamsters did when it financed the building of Las Vegas ), and two..........when they get into politics and support hack politicians for high public office, expecting "hand outs" from said political hacks when they are elected, to the complete detriment of the whole country, ( which, IMO, is precisely what's happening at the present time. )
Quoting mffoda (Reply 2): Embraer A-29 Super Tucanos and the US Beechcraft offering...
I'm wondering........exactly what is Beechcraft offering ? Is the Beech "offering" in any way related to the venerable King Air ?
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3547 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9778 times:
Beechcraft is offering the AT-6B. The design is based on the Swiss designed Pilatus PC-9. The trainer version T-6A is used by both the USAF and USN as a replacement for the T-37B and T-34C respectively. It´s also in use by the air forces of Canada, Germany, Greece, Israel and Iraq. The original PC-9 is used by another dozen or so air forces.
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2836 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9038 times:
Quoting Geezer (Reply 4): ...when they get into politics and support hack politicians for high public office, expecting "hand outs" from said political hacks when they are elected, to the complete detriment of the whole country, ( which, IMO, is precisely what's happening at the present time. )
As opposed to big corporations and wealthy individuals doing the same things, which is precisely what's happening at the present time...
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8589 times:
It doesn't help any rationale discussion on the topic when Beechcraft themselves say: "The AT-6 is designed and manufactured in the U.S."
The truth is that both the Tucano and PC-9 were designed outside the USA, and both the A-29 and AT-6B will be built inside the USA. So that is not a good parameter for any argument about which is best.
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GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13498 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7968 times:
Not a rialble source, there are plenty, many linked on threads about this subject here, that report it from a perspective of knowlwdge of the aerospace industry, Washington, the armed forces, rather than say partisan, paranoid, rather xenophobic
Quoting GCT64 (Reply 8): The truth is that both the Tucano and PC-9 were designed outside the USA, and both the A-29 and AT-6B will be built inside the USA. So that is not a good parameter for any argument about which is best
Just another cack handed attempt of a hatchet job, you cannot expect even basic research there.
ThePointblank From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 2345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
The GAO has released it's decision in full: http://www.gao.gov/products/D05003#mt=e-report
The short summary is that to meet its proposed offer targets, the AT-6C would experience a 40-50% rise in MTOW, and experience shows that anything over 20% is a serious risk for problems and certification delays, as well as service life issues. There were other issues as well, and the bottom line is that the AT-6C got an Exception aircraft evaluation + High risk, while the Super Tucano was rated as Exceptional + Low Risk. Per the GAO, there was ample reason to award the contract to Sierra Nevada & Embraer and their Super Tucano proposal.