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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

The mock-up of what was to become the USN's A-12A has been moved from the LM plant in Fort Worth to the B-36 Peacemaker Museum near Meacham Airport.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/06...-texas-aviation.html#storylink=cpy

The A-12 was a stealth attack aircraft for the USN and was to replace the F-14 and A-6, as well as possibly the F/FB-111 for the USAF. It was to be built at the GD plant in Fort Worth, which is now the LM plant.

Interestingly the B-36 Peacemaker Museum does not have a B-36. They do have two B-36 (round tip) propellers and two main gear wheels, as well as some of the B-36 guns.

The mock-up of the A-12A has been pretty much sitting in fields on the LM plant property and at Carswell AFB (currently NAS Fort Worth JRB) since the program was terminated back in 1991 due to huge costs overruns.

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User currently offlinerc135x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Can you say Gotha 229?

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

I'm glad the GD thing is in a museum!


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4359 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Don't see how it would have replaced the F14, then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat.


However, as an attack Aircraft if they had worked out the technological issues (perhaps not possible in that era) it would have been an amazing platform.


Unfortunately, it became a massive money hole and crippled Naval Aviation for many, many years. As a result the Navy has no medium / long range strike bomber anymore and this was and is the main reason for a Carrier Airwing.


The F18 is a good fighter but it can't fly anywhere close to the range or carry the payload of an A6 or the planned A12 without numerous refuellings.


A great shame.



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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

A-12 was designed to repalce the A-6 not the F-14.

User currently offlineSlcpilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 579 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Wasn't the canopy frame of the actual aircraft sold in an auction a year or two ago? Where did it end up?


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat

F-15 Eagle.


User currently offlinespudh From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat

F-15 Eagle.





Thats what we need here instead of all these inevitably locked down F-35 is great/crap threads, a good old fashioned F-15 v F-14 bust up 


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Don't see how it would have replaced the F14, then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat.

Especially w.r.t. mx man-hours/flight hour !



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting spudh (Reply 7):
spudh

The only weapons system on the F-14 that could defeat an F-15, assuming the F-15 pilot wasn't paying attention, was the AIM-54 Phoenix missile. But the Phoenix wasn't all that reliable.

The original F-14A AN/AWG-9 radar could detect bomber sized targets out to 100 nm, but it could not detect fighter sized targets until they were inside of 50 nm, depending on the size of the fighter and it's RCS. The AN/AWG-9 could track up to 100 targets, but could only target 6 of the most serious treats.

The original F-15A/B, and early production F-15C/Ds had the AN/APG-63 radar which could detect fighter sized aircraft out to 75 nm and could target up to 8 of the most serious threats.

Both radar systems had 'look down shoot down' capability, but the F-15's radar could also, simultaneously track high altitude targets. The F-14 WSO had to switch modes in order to be able to track high targets.

The AN/APG-63 radar could also be manually or automatically set to display its information on the pilot's HUD. The AN/AWG-9 only displayed on the cockpit radar screens for both the pilot and WSO, and could not be tied to the HUD.

Both radar systems were upgraded in the late 1970s and through the 1980s.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3383 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3442 times:
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Quoting spudh (Reply 7):
Thats what we need here instead of all these inevitably locked down F-35 is great/crap threads, a good old fashioned F-15 v F-14 bust up 

Looks like the old warriors took your comment literally..

Let's either stay on topic or prepare to be shut down.


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