crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2323 posts, RR: 5 Posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11494 times:
Has the presidential air motorcade been discussed in reference to the presidential visit to S. Africa this week..???? Here is a partial list. Sorry if this has been discussed I could not find anything, if so delete..15 C-17's, 3 CH-46E's, 2 VH-60N's, 1 Delta Airlines Boeing 767-300ER, 2 C-32A's, and of course 1 Boeing VC-25.
mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3916 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11276 times:
15 C-17s? What are they bringing with them? I guess they have many government vehicles that you cannot get in Africa and supplies for the trip, but what else? Are they bringing supplies to poorer countries?
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fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11115 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 2): according to National Geographic there are 2 VC-25 that accompany the president on trips, AF1 and the backup.
That is correct. The other one will land a few hours later behind the President (or at a nearby airport) so it does not capture any of the spotlight. It is there for backup in case something goes south with the first one.
The 15 C-17's carry basically everything, from an ambulance to all the cars in the motorcade, and backups, weapons, enough personnel to take over a small country, etc. They usually arrive way before the President and I am pretty sure that they split up, 5 to each country where the President visited.
ORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 558 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11100 times:
Quoting web500sjc (Reply 2):
according to National Geographic there are 2 VC-25 that accompany the president on trips, AF1 and the backup
The president always travels with the primary and backup plane. That is secret service policy. The backup plane actually flies in front of the primary plane (but lands 2nd or at a different location from the one carrying the president).
flyingcello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9359 times:
When President Obama came to Northern Ireland a couple of weeks ago for the G8, there was no sign of the second VC-25. However, there were rumours that an E4 was at USAF Mildenhall for the duration of his visit...was this acting as the backup? A VC-32 came along (to ferry Mrs O to Dublin and back) and there were 8 C-17 flights into Belfast in the week before, and another 8 the week after. Add in 7 Blackhawks, and then the 2 VVIP Whitehawks and it was quite a party. A 767 also flew the US press into Knock...although why they didn't just come to Belfast I don't know.
President Putin also had quite an entourage...his IL-96 (a couple of times), at least two TU-204s, and a number of IL-76s. The IL-96 was the star of the show...AF1 we had seen before (Bill Clinton and George Dubya), but the IL-96 was new to us!
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8827 times:
Quoting audidudi (Reply 5): I believe the DL B763ER is ship #1707 (N177DZ).
Yes it was, a ver nice B767 with winglets, I saw it in the morning in DAR, and there was a B747SP that i have been told that was the plane George W. Bush and Laura Bush used to come to DAR also for some kind of women organization event in which Laura Bush is the CEO, and today in the morning both families were in the USA embassy in Dar for a event.
I also saw 3 C-17 with the callsing Rich (or Something similar), 1 B757, and some more small business jets.
Is there anyway to know what route the AF1 flew back to USA?? I listen them taking off and climbing to FL300, quite low, so I guess they were quite heavy, and then transferred later to Dar West, to they didn´t fly north towards Kenya.
DL sends a 767 with the press for the entourage. They have been doing this since quite sometime. When the President came to India with his entourage in 2010, a DL 767-400 was also on charter carrying the press and the official white house media persons. So this should be quite much on the similar duty!
Quoting crownvic (Thread starter): 15 C-17's, 3 CH-46E's, 2 VH-60N's, 1 Delta Airlines Boeing 767-300ER, 2 C-32A's, and of course 1 Boeing VC-25.
Drewski2112 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8332 times:
Political opinions aside, we have to remember the President and his staff have little to do with the amount of support aircraft that come along for the trip. That being said, 15 C-17's seems like an absurd amount for a visit. Wonder if the Secret Service ever got the sequestration memo...
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7209 times:
Here are my questions:
1. Is the Delta 767 flown by a civilian crew?
2. Any special precautions or instructions the Delta crew need to follow in such an aerial entourage?
3. Does it fly ahead of the AF-1 or behind?
4. I imagine it lands first so the press can jump out and photograph the President's arrival?
JohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6799 times:
Quoting n92r03 (Reply 22): I don't remember any POTUS in history ever having an aircraft carrier moved into position. Nor do I ever remember a $100m trip for any POTUS when the White House was closed for public tours and everyone needing to "tighten up their belts".
Also the Civil Service people who support all these aircraft being furloughed. Then insult to injury, the president pledged 7 billion dollars to Africa, while we have money problems at home. The furlough was supposed to "save" 5 billion dollars, so that and change has been given away.
Yes, the E-4B can fly as backup for the VC-25. Even if both VC-25s are flown on a trip, one or two E-4Bs might also be brought nearby if world tensions are high.
Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 9): Quoting deltalaw (Reply 8):
What is the DL 763 for? Press?
That would be my first guess.
The press on AF-1 are part of the pool, and certain specific members of the White House press corps.
Up until the 70s, extra press flew on government aircraft, or aircraft chartered by the government.
Then the US news media went on a track of being 'independent' of government support. So the media companies now pay a flat rate for charters for the press. Those people are included in the diplomatic clearance process along with all the other people brought in to support the president.
They are not 'diplomats' (nor are most of the military or staff members) but are part of the official party.
The media which fly on the VC-35 and other government aircraft pay the government the equilavent of a full fare business class seat for the route/ routing to that destination.
(It's a real pain when we would take them on Navy ships because we had to come up with a room cost, transportation cost and meals cost).
I understand from some folks still on active duty that the two C-5's to carry the helicopters are the only transports dedicated full-time to the trip. The C-17s are mostly being flown by special reserve crews and are rotating in and out of the mission.