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Army Training Exercise Spooks Local Residents  
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4617 times:

A Army helicopter training exercise which involved low flying helicopters unknown to the local residents spooks Port Angeles, Washington.

The 160th Combat Aviation Brigade who has dual ops at Joint Base McChord-Lewis, Washington and Fort Campbell, Kentucky piloted the helicopters which carried seal team six on the mission into Pakistan which ultimately lead to the demise of Bin Laden

Courtesy AP http://www.theleafchronicle.com/view...helicopters-buzzed-Washington-city


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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4600 times:
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They passed over my house and I just thought it's another exercise... probably those that panicked thought it was either DEA or Immigration.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4583 times:

[quote=kanban,reply=1]probably those that panicked thought it was either DEA or Immigration.[/quote

Ah a demographics awareness exercise. Strait Juan De Fuca is the maritime boundary between Canada and U.S. if memory serves me.

I wonder if the Army helicopters were flying maritime search and rescue sorties with CG Air Station Port Angeles.

I'm glad the article didn't refer to the helicopters as choppers like much of the media does. The print media is a little better than their television counterparts. There fricken helicopters not choppers.



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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 2):
I wonder if the Army helicopters were flying maritime search and rescue sorties with CG Air Station Port Angeles.

They are overhead frequently.. I'm puzzled why Port Angeles panics.. I suppose sometimes they're headed to Alaska, however coming up this side of Hood Canal seems a longer route and they have to watch noise restrictions around the Olympic Park.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 2):
Ah a demographics awareness exercise. Strait Juan De Fuca is the maritime boundary between Canada and U.S. if memory serves me.

We don't stop Canadians.. they have deep wallets..


User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Ah, the NIMBY crowd...


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User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 3):
We don't stop Canadians.. they have deep wallets..

Funny, we say that about Americans!


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

I suppose several low flying CH-47 Chinook helicopters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSzeM50B8hI complemented with several Army Blackhawk helicopters could spook a town at 11:30ish PM at night. It would certainly arouse my curiosity. If it was just a fly over and not an exercise I don't see the need to notify local authorities.

Its a common day occurrence where I grew up adjacent next to the third largest Army base in the U.S. In the pride deparatment it's hard to look-up and see both kinds of aircraft often and just say Hooah and know you live in the greatest country on earth.

I can't help but think the buzzing of Port Angeles by a Boeing product CH-47 Chinook which by name fame has a connection to the King Salmon of the Pacific Northwest and Alaska. The Blackhawk not so much which is a Sikorski product and made on the other coast.



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User currently offlinechecksixx From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

What exactly did they think was happening? An invasion? LoL...oh brother...common sense is dead in the U.S.

User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Quoting checksixx (Reply 7):
What exactly did they think was happening? An invasion? LoL...oh brother...common sense is dead in the U.S.

Red Dawn WAS re-released recently...   



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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3876 times:
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Just a stupid over reaction.. it appears to be a bunch of people who were distracted from the late night TV and called emergency to find out where the action was.. except the dispatchers didn't know.

here's the latest.. http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/ar...-visitor-tonight-army-colonel-from

and many of the public are faulting the mayor for ridiculous escalation of a normal and routine event.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 4):
Ah, the NIMBY crowd...

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but Port Angeles isn't exactly next door to JBLM. And, from what the media is reporting the training mission went on for 3 1/2 hours up until 2am.

I think it's just being a good neighbor for the military to make a call to the local mayor and let them him/her know what's about to happen so they can put it out on the radio. All this could have been avoided with a press release and a phone call. I'd probably be mad if Chinooks were flying 750' above my house at 1am and woke up my kid.

I might be wrong on this, but I think the unit was the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. The ones that flew the SEALs in to kill Bin Laden. Guys can sneak into Abbottabad to off OBL, but wake up a whole town on the Peninsula.



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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
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Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 10):
I'd probably be mad if Chinooks were flying 750' above my house at 1am and woke up my kid.

it woke the mayor's dog, and rattled the drinks at the casino.

They also came over all the towns on Hood Canal, including mine, swung over Sequim.. yes it woke me up.. but I said to myself, just military helicopters and went back to sleep.. However, only Port Angeles panicked.. this in a town where if you don't like a neighbor, you bulldoze his house..


User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Yeah, kinda odd at 0200. The PR dept at JBLM let the locals know when the Army is going to be doing artillery/armor live fires. Kinda cool to be in the Lacey area with the rolling thunder going on. Lulls me to sleep at night actually...  


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User currently offlineJohnM From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

It's not just the 160th SOAR that does extensive night ops. Every aviation unit does lots of NVG and some night unaided ops. Keep in mind that it does not get dark until past 9 PM, and NVG operations won't kick off until it is dark. Could have been anybody out at that time of night (or morning). ARNG, USAR, active, they all have to train, and out at 2 AM is not abnormal. Chinooks do make a bit more racket with the blade slap, so maybe it created more attention.

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Well I haven't quite figured out how to quote on a mobile phone yet so please excuse that. Anyway, I do a lot of work over on the Peninsula and the folks at JBLM don't normally do night ops over there. I get if you live close to the base like bhill that's the cost of living there. Just like I have little sympathy for people on Whidbey Is. that complain about the noise around the base. Personally, I would be ok with it because you have to know theres a military base nearby.

But, if the military decides to fly over to the Port Angeles area for few hours in the middle of the night and doesn't spend the time to even send out a press release they deserve having a little fallout for it. Apparently they do or they wouldn't go through the efforts to apologize for it.



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User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3721 times:
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There's some stupidity in this whole mess.. The Coast Guard knew they were coming and gave them permission to land.. Now if I was an aware police type in Port Angeles, on hearing obvious military helicopters, I would call the Coast Guard first to see what they knew.. I would be even more inclined to call when I saw them land at the Coast Guard station.. however a logical approach is not a common approach.. hand wringing and whining is.

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 15):
There's some stupidity in this whole mess.. The Coast Guard knew they were coming and gave them permission to land.. Now if I was an aware police type in Port Angeles, on hearing obvious military helicopters, I would call the Coast Guard first to see what they knew.. I would be even more inclined to call when I saw them land at the Coast Guard station.. however a logical approach is not a common approach.. hand wringing and whining is.

Agreed. I don't have a problem with them doing night ops over there, just that a small oversight turned into a big deal because of something as simple as a phone call. I bet they do that next time and for the most part I think the base and public are pretty much over it.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2072 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3500 times:

Folks, this is the special operation flying team that fly the SEALSs around. So even if it's only training, I don't think they would want to have it widely publicized prior to the flight.

After the training? Have all the publicity . . . and all the apologies you want . . .


bt



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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 17):
Folks, this is the special operation flying team that fly the SEALSs around.

I know that DEVGRU got a lot of (unwanted) pub because of the raid to kill Bin Laden, but it's getting on my nerves a bit that suddenly the SEALs are the be-all and end-all of American special operations units.

Not really specifically calling you out, just that the way the quoted sentence read kinda reminded me of what things have been like the last 2 years...

Also, the 160th SOAR does a LOT more than "fly the SEALs around."

Here's a little tidbit on something they've done that's pretty impressive in its own right.



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2072 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 18):

Not really specifically calling you out, just that the way the quoted sentence read kinda reminded me of what things have been like the last 2 years...

Getting called out on a-net is nothing new. Goes with the territory 

Yep, lots of unwanted publicity over the last 2 years (don't forget the Somali pirate incident) . Don't know if they can ever get back "under the radar" as they would want to be.

Guess we'll have to get into a decade or two peace before that will happen . . .

bt



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